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Game Thread Jan 17, 2022 08:30PM MT: Jazz at Lakers

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Meh, not a game to overreact. Jazz shot terrible, Gobert couldn't get some rebounds and looked gassed, B2B, limited Conley minutes. Jazz still held Lakers to 100, there were some terrible sequences defensively but if the Jazz got one of Bogey, Clarkson, Gay or Mitchell going they would probably win.

The result is the problem. The reminder of what kind of coach Quin is is the problem.
 
I have no idea why Quin accepts his players protecting their percentages and not put up shots when you have 2+ seconds left when hitting a shot will actually matter. This is loser-ball ********.
The lack of urgency to get an extra shot off at the end of the 3rd quarter was a perfect example of what's wrong with this team. If Quin won't hold players accountable for this kind of garbage, it's time for a coaching change.
 
Meh, not a game to overreact. Jazz shot terrible, Gobert couldn't get some rebounds and looked gassed, B2B, limited Conley minutes. Jazz still held Lakers to 100, there were some terrible sequences defensively but if the Jazz got one of Bogey, Clarkson, Gay or Mitchell going they would probably win.
Or perhaps try something different after multiple trips with terrible execution.
 
Meh, not a game to overreact. Jazz shot terrible, Gobert couldn't get some rebounds and looked gassed, B2B, limited Conley minutes. Jazz still held Lakers to 100, there were some terrible sequences defensively but if the Jazz got one of Bogey, Clarkson, Gay or Mitchell going they would probably win.
We may have held the Lakers to *101, but the worst defense in the league just held our “historic offense” to 95.
 
I've defended the team all season, have not been worried about bad performances and thrown away games. But this game worries me. The jazz don't know how to play in crunch time. they have no idea what to do unless they are hitting shots. they threw this game away. The team runs around like a chicken with its head cut off in crunch time. They don't seem to have any idea what to run, who to give the ball to. We have all these ball-handlers and they just take turns bricking it or turning it over in crunch time. If the Jazz can't win unless they are hitting shots, we're toast. No hustle from this team. Everyone, including Gobert, just standing around waiting for someone else to do something. Our roster fills awfully small when they play like this--it just seems like we don't have that many guys to go to.

We are in a brutal part of our schedule. It's pretty clear we're going to lose a lot of games.

I think Utah needs to do everything it can to get rid of our two worst ball-handlers for...really anyone who can had some versatility to the roster. This was the most discouraging game of the season by far.
It's painfully obvious now that the jazz don't run plays. They run drive and kick. Occasionally pick and run away from the pick before it gets set. And sometimes they run off Gobert's screens and into the teeth of the defense. They have nearly entirely abandoned the passing game. The vaunted blender is what made us so difficult to guard. That is sadly no more. There is likely some obscure stat that Quin tracks that shows that taking a quick shot is worth 0.002 points more than making an extra pass and so he is chasing that elusive 0.002 points that statistically will lead to more points scored over several games. It all averages out in the end right? I mean in the playoffs we have 10 or 15 games for the law of averages to catch up to make sure we win 8 of 15 games. Right? Right?
 
Mitchell/JC/Bogey/Gay a combined 1-26 from 3...yikes
There’s actually a bigger problem than them combining for 1-26, and that problem is the inevitable retort that “yeah had they shot even 20% they win,” and I believe this type of thinking is exactly what goes through Quin’s head, believing it’s about some statistical outlier and not any other reason, so keep on plugging along.
 
A regular season game where Jazz's main issues wasn't the reason they lost?

The result doesn't matter. The fact that Quin is incapable of making an in game adjustment to his pregame plan is the problem. Quin getting outcoached is a central issue to the Jazz repeated playoff failures.
 
Or perhaps try something different after multiple trips with terrible execution.
Jazz played much quicker in the 2nd half and had some Rams sets to force Lakers to play drop besides other stuff. They just let go of the rope down the line because they just couldn't get going. It happens.
 
Got to be honest though--they tried to. He fumbled the ball down there a lot. He doesn't go up strong, doesn't take the dunk when he has it. That part of his game has barely improved and it drives me crazy. I know he's great but his inability to take advantage in the post has always limited us. It's almost as big an issue as the guard-defense when it comes to playing against small ball lineups.
He's improved on it a ton. And yes, he didnt have a good game. He missed some plays, but does he have to make every play to get the ball? He shouldn't. Keep going to him. He made a ton of great plays.

It's utter *********. Clarkson can chuck a ton of ****** shots, pass to no one, turn it over constantly, but if Gobert bobbles one pass or gets stripped he should never get the ball even if he has a guy under the rim with no one else in the paint? GTFO
 
F this psycho methed-out coach, he's going to ruin Rudy's legacy!!!
Thank God Murray and Basilishvili are in a barnburner on ESPN:cool: and I still got off tomorrow. Dubs in the morning, life is good.
 
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I don’t support any trades at this point. It clearly would distract from what the problem is. Quin’s mismanagement of these situations (which is almost entirely what the playoffs are) is worse than our perimeter defense (which his emphases ultimately facilitated).
 
The selfishness and lack of accountability is disgusting.

Anyone notice that Jordan and Donovan refuse to take a last second heave from the backcourt this season (either dribble out or appear to intentionally shoot after the buzzer)?

The lack of ball sharing, defense, etc., all falls onto the coaching staff. Jerry was too stubborn, but man, he'd pull someone for playing lazy or stupid. Popovich is the same way, which is why he is such a good coach.

Snyder is not part of the Popovich tree.
 
I don’t support any trades at this point. It clearly would distract from what the problem is. Quin’s mismanagement of these situations (which is almost entirely what the playoffs are) is worse than our perimeter defense (which his emphases ultimately facilitated).
Again, sad but true.
 
I don’t support any trades at this point. It clearly would distract from what the problem is. Quin’s mismanagement of these situations (which is almost entirely what the playoffs are) is worse than our perimeter defense (which his emphases ultimately facilitated).

Seems like very flawed logic to me. Two things can be true, the Jazz both have terrible talent and Quin is a terrible in game coach if he has to make adjustments. Remember, the Jazz had good defense when they had good talent around Gobert against HOU 2x which was an elite offense. Both are serious issues and there needs to be some degree of change in both areas. Otherwise we are literally rolling the dice again with the same odds after getting embarrassed year after year.

I think Quin cementing in these terrible defensive is part of the issue, but his biggest issue is his stubbornness. It shows on both ends of the court and especially in close games.
 
The result doesn't matter. The fact that Quin is incapable of making an in game adjustment to his pregame plan is the problem. Quin getting outcoached is a central issue to the Jazz repeated playoff failures.
The result is the problem. The result doesn't matter. You should decide.

Jazz ran different sets tonight but spacing was jumbled because they couldn't hit shots. It happens. Bogey sucked which took some of our options to bust switches with his post-uşs and all.
 
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