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Roe v. Wade is going down

Al-O-Meter said:
Does that mean you believe that people should be able to kill illegal immigrants for sport? I value human life. I don't even support the death penalty for the worst criminals. As for restrictions on what people are able to do in their own bedroom, I'm libertarian and guarantee that I'm way on the other side of you in championing freedoms there but I don't think it should be some sort of weird safe space where if you rape someone you can't be charged if it took place in a bedroom, or if you are filming child pornography it can't be charged if it was in a bedroom. As for the premeditated snuffing out of a human life, I don't think it should be allowed to go unchallenged in a bedroom, a clinic, or anywhere else even if the one ordering the killing was a woman.
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Yes yes I'm for all of the that, yesterday i beat an asylum seeker to death with a rubber dildo I used to rape a nun.
 
Al-O-Meter said:
Who taught you biology?!?
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High school teachers.

Al-O-Meter said:
If you submit a DNA sample to 23&me of a tumor and a sample from anywhere else in the body, it will come back as the same person because it is the same person.
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Cancer tumors have altered DNA from their host bodies. Who taught you biology?

www.cancer.gov

The Genetics of Cancer

This page answers questions like, is cancer genetic? Can cancer run in families? How do genetic changes cause cancer? Should I get genetic testing for cancer risk?
www.cancer.gov www.cancer.gov

Al-O-Meter said:
If you take a DNA sample from a fetus and a same of the mother, they will come back as different people because they are different people.
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You are correct here.

Of course, you're dodging the main point, although I can't tell if it's from cowardice, ignorance, or a recognition that it's destructive your case. If you want to defend the right of a fetal person to use the body of another person against the second person's will, you need to come with stronger arguments than can be used for a cancer tumor.
 
Al-O-Meter said:
As for the premeditated snuffing out of a human life, I don't think it should be allowed to go unchallenged in a bedroom, a clinic, or anywhere else even if the one ordering the killing was a woman and biologically related to the life being ended.
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I agree, unless that's the only way for said female to protect the sanctity of her body.
 
One Brow said:
Who taught you biology?
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Beyond my own education I rely on the knowledge of my wife who by education and profession is a scientist with her area of expertise being in the field of DNA. As for changes to the DNA in cancer, they aren't so significant in the loci used in identification that submissions to 23&me wouldn't come back as a complete match. Arguing with you on matters of biology is painful because your arguments rely on ignorance as their foundation and you never admit it when you are wrong. Carry on.
 
One Brow said:
Of course, you're dodging the main point, although I can't tell if it's from cowardice, ignorance, or a recognition that it's destructive your case. If you want to defend the right of a fetal person to use the body of another person against the second person's will, you need to come with stronger arguments than can be used for a cancer tumor.
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Along this line of reasoning it could be argued that the mother is holding the fetus against its will. This is kidnapping.



If, of course, one would subscribe to the idea that human life begins at conception and is therefore entitled to all the rights of any human being.

These arguments are all specious and highly subjective at best. But it is interesting.
 
LogGrad98 said:
Along this line of reasoning it could be argued that the mother is holding the fetus against its will. This is kidnapping.
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If the female is a mother, than she's a parent with custody.

LogGrad98 said:
If, of course, one would subscribe to the idea that human life begins at conception and is therefore entitled to all the rights of any human being.
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Human life (and proto-human life) has been a continuing process over 4 billion years. However, the lapsed Catholic in me does see conception as just as good a choice for deciding personhood as any other choice.

LogGrad98 said:
These arguments are all specious and highly subjective at best. But it is interesting.
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Agreed.
 
Al-O-Meter said:
Beyond my own education I rely on the knowledge of my wife who by education and profession is a scientist with her area of expertise being in the field of DNA. As for changes to the DNA in cancer, they aren't so significant in the loci used in identification that submissions to 23&me wouldn't come back as a complete match.
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Really? Do tell me which loci are used in 23andMe, and which loci are vectors of cancerous transformations, so we can see there is no overlap.

Don't have that at hand? I am unsurprised.

Of course, one of this means you have used an argument for the fetus being human that you can't use of cancer.

Al-O-Meter said:
Arguing with you on matters of biology is painful
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Good. That's called "growing pains".

Al-O-Meter said:
because your arguments rely on ignorance as their foundation
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I have enough knowledge to recognize nonsense and distractions of the type you promulgate.

Al-O-Meter said:
and you never admit it when you are wrong.
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I've admitted I was wrong in discussions with Gameface, Loggrad98, aintnuthin, Colton, infection, and several others over the years. If you haven't gotten such an acknowledgement (as I recall, you have) because you are habitually refusing to come to an accurate assessment based on the evidence.
 
I'm personally all for Thriller's idea of forced vasectomies. It would solve so many of society's ills.

Since lawmakers want to interfere with a person's right to make medical decisions, perhaps they should be made by the sex affected. Perhaps only female supreme court justices should be able to vote on this issue. Why should any man have a say in this decision? And if it later comes up at Congress, only females should be allowed to vote on that legislation.

There is a states' rights argument to be made. But it feels like arguments made by current Confederacy apologists that slavery wasn't the reason for the Civil War. Because of course Republicans will do their darnedest to make it a federal law if they ever get the chance.

It will be interesting to see what this does to the Republican Party. I have been expecting that they would never actually reverse Roe because it is what keeps many people in their party. It has always been used as their scare tactic - vote Democrat, vote for dead babies.

Most of the rights that some Republicans want to walk back are quite popular with the country. I think if Roe is overturned, it is going to have a very negative consequence for their party in the long run (maybe not all that long).
 
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Ron Mexico said:
Uh... You jerk off at Grannies?
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No need to. Have you ever been there? Their burgers, fries, and shakes are better than sex. Truly one of the highlights of summer. Can’t wait for another month or so when they’ll reopen.
 
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JazzGal said:
Since lawmakers want to interfere with a person's right to make medical decisions, perhaps they should be made by the sex affected.
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Both male and female fetuses are being killed. Both sexes are affected. Setting aside for the moment that the Supreme Court aren't made up of lawmakers, count me a bit skeptical at your protestations of the government interfering in medical decisions. If you are being genuine and you don't like that drug companies have to get their drugs FDA approved, don't like vaccine or mask requirement dictates, don't like that anyone can't be free to ingest whatever drug they want whenever they want to then I'll be happy to welcome you to the libertarian bandwagon.
 
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The Thriller said:
No need to. Have you ever been there? Their burgers, fries, and shakes are better than sex. Truly one of the highlights of summer. Can’t wait for another month or so when they’ll reopen.
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I have been there it's alright. But that reads and meant something far different than that since you were talking about sperm being wasted. Gave me a good chuckle though
 
Al-O-Meter said:
If you are being genuine and you don't like that drug companies have to get their drugs FDA approved,
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They don't. Approval is only needed for things like getting insurance to pay for the treatment (e.g., Dr. Stanislaw Burzynski has been giving an unregulated cancer protocol for over 4 decades). Otherwise, unless your substance is on a restricted list, anyone with access can can take anything they like, as long as the manufacturer/distributer doesn't offer it as a cure.

Al-O-Meter said:
don't like vaccine or mask requirement dictates,
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Vaccine mandates are a matter of public health; it's the equivalent of forbidding people from punching your nose. I'm not ware of anyone who likes mask mandates.

Al-O-Meter said:
don't like that anyone can't be free to ingest whatever drug they want whenever they want to
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I agree that most drugs should be decriminalized.

Al-O-Meter said:
then I'll be happy to welcome you to the libertarian bandwagon.
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Libertarians live in a fantasy land.
 
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