Roe v. Wade is going down

[Deleted member 365]

Not really that complicated, its a personal choice and that should be the end of it. I remember being at church with my Nonna when I was a kid, the priest was banging on about abortion, maybe he'd knocked up one of the nuns i dunno. When we walked out my Nonna turned to me and said what does he know about raising a family. Smart woman my Nonna.

This ain’t just about abortion either.

It’s about birth control, voting rights, and the LGBT community. The scotus and GOP have proven to be hostile towards these things.

This ****ing isn’t going to ****ing end with Roe folks. They’re going to target birth control and gay marriage next. Collective bargaining rights and the EPA after that. Interracial marriage and brown v board aren’t too far behind.

If you care about the rights and freedoms we currently enjoy, you should be angry and upset right now. So ****ing angry that you vote every single Republican out of office this fall with democrats. And keep voting them out until they learn to leave these things alone.

Keep the House in Democratic hands and give them a few more Democratic senators so they can codify abortion, gay marriage etc. change the makeup of the Supreme Court or hell, change the structure of it. Why don’t we have 21 judges serving 10 year terms? Any given case might get a random 7 or 15 judge case. Why have we stopped imagining a better structure? Why do we settle for a 6-3 Supreme Court full of ideologues where we know the outcome of every case before they’re even debated?

 

[Gameface]

I've always assumed the supreme court justices have very good security. They are frequently making decisions that are unpopular with some segment of the population. Also, it would always just be generally tempting to off one that is of the opposite party than teh sitting President so that the seat can be filled "your" team.

 

[Avery]

Aside from the law itself, it will be interesting to figure out how the leak happened.

Highly doubt it was a justice, but likely one of the clerks or someone else who had access to documents as an editor or copywriter.

Lastly, the SC should not have lifetime appointments.

 

[Rubashov]

This ain’t just about abortion either.

It’s about birth control, voting rights, and the LGBT community. The scotus and GOP have proven to be hostile towards these things.

This ****ing isn’t going to ****ing end with Roe folks. They’re going to target birth control and gay marriage next. Collective bargaining rights and the EPA after that. Interracial marriage and brown v board aren’t too far behind.

If you care about the rights and freedoms we currently enjoy, you should be angry and upset right now. So ****ing angry that you vote every single Republican out of office this fall with democrats. And keep voting them out until they learn to leave these things alone.

Keep the House in Democratic hands and give them a few more Democratic senators so they can codify abortion, gay marriage etc. change the makeup of the Supreme Court or hell, change the structure of it. Why don’t we have 21 judges serving 10 year terms? Any given case might get a random 7 or 15 judge case. Why have we stopped imagining a better structure? Why do we settle for a 6-3 Supreme Court full of ideologues where we know the outcome of every case before they’re even debated?

As an outsider looking at your country what i see is something that is totally broken, in a systemic way. The country is almost ungovernable, power is far too decentralised, some will say that creates freedom and local autonomy, I would counter that it removes responsibility. Plus too many people are elected to too many positions, too often. Makes them open to corruption and coercion from corporations and lobby groups. I'm waving at you the NRA. The disturbing thing for me is how we do what we can to follow your **** ups and implement them here.

 

[Rubashov]

Aside from the law itself, it will be interesting to figure out how the leak happened.

Highly doubt it was a justice, but likely one of the clerks or someone else who had access to documents as an editor or copywriter.

Lastly, the SC should not have lifetime appointments.

Why wouldn't it be a hostile Justice? Everyone is partisan, the Supreme court has been hijacked by this ruling for 35 plus years.

 

[Avery]

Why wouldn't it be a hostile Justice? Everyone is partisan, the Supreme court has been hijacked by this ruling for 35 plus years.

Not saying it's not, just wouldn't be my guess. If it were a justice regardless of whom it is, they should be disbarred and replaced as they broke the very tenet of the court whether they're name is Alito, Sotomayor, etc.

 

[Rubashov]

Every pregnancy will need to be investigated. If you or someone you know becomes pregnant and doesn’t give birth 9 Months later, they’ll need to be investigated. Men and women both, will face economic, social, and criminal scrutiny (talk about big government and cancel culture).

If you’re suspected of getting an abortion? You may find yourself in prison for years.

If you are found to help a woman get an abortion in other state? You can be fined and imprisoned.

If you report a woman suspected for getting an abortion? You may be rewarded $10,000 dollars.

All 3 of these issues are codified by Texas law right now.

And that’s just the start. You’re going to see increasing scrutiny for online purchases. If a woman purchases medication to induce an abortion, you’ll see her credit card and online purchases under scrutiny. Travel will be investigated. Communications will need to be searched. If she has a miscarriage, she’ll need to be investigated. Even if she isn’t found guilty, the social and economic stain remains.

Don’t like abortion? Teach comprehensive sex education and provide free and easy to access contraception. But Republicans won’t even do that. So it’s obvious that this isn’t about life or god or families. This is about control. It’s about making women second class citizens. Just as this scotus will soon do to the LGBT community.

Is this really the society we want to live in?

Where was it that recently a woman was prosecuted for having a miscarriage? Pakistan? Saudi Arabia? Texas?

 

[Rubashov]

Not saying it's not, just wouldn't be my guess. If it were a justice regardless of whom it is, they should be disbarred and replaced as they broke the very tenet of the court whether they're name is Alito, Sotomayor, etc.

Honestly it could have been anyone and nobody will talk. Could have been a republican judge or politician, bit of red meat for the base. You know what will fix things over there? Red or Blue introduce them to this;

 

[Deleted member 365]

Why wouldn't it be a hostile Justice? Everyone is partisan, the Supreme court has been hijacked by this ruling for 35 plus years.

Fun fact, most Evangelicals supported Roe V Wade when it first came out. It wasn’t until the late 70s when Paul Weyrich joined forces with Jerry Falwell and Ralph Reed as they figured out that they could use abortion as a political issue to join Catholics and evangelicals in the “Christian Right” against civil rights. Since then, abortion has metastasized as one of the major forms of glue holding their coalition together.

There’s a straight line from US racial segregation to the anti-abortion movement | Randall Balmer

Leaders of the religious right would have us believe that Roe v Wade mobilized apolitical Christians. The real story is very different

www.theguardian.com

 

[Deleted member 365]

Another fun fact? Abortion was legal throughout the United States up until the late 19th century. It wasn’t until birth control and women’s suffrage came out that suddenly men began to care about abortion.

Again, this issue is all about restoring the hierarchy. White Christian males on top. Women, blacks, the LGBTs below.

 

[Deleted member 365]

How many other states have idiotic laws like this that will return to be the law of the land once Roe is struck down?


View: https://twitter.com/elissaslotkin/status/1521311942534705155?s=21&t=k-4IAhqetH-QfVtH_T9xnA


It’s too easy to say, “codify abortion” at the federal level when knowing that the votes aren’t there and then ignore the real suffering that will occur due to state’s having these types of laws already codified.

For those of you wondering, abortion is essentially banned in Utah. So if your wife, daughter, sister, etc becomes pregnant, they better give birth 9 months later or they risk being investigated for getting an abortion. And the legislature is looking to get rid of exceptions too, that would force rape victims to carry full term.

Without Roe v. Wade, abortion rights would be left up to the states to decide, and members of Utah’s Legislature have already made it clear how they feel. In 2020, then-Gov. Gary Herbert signed a so-called trigger law, with further, currently illegal restrictions on abortions set to go into effect if Roe is overturned.

SB174 prohibits abortions in most cases, but it does allow exceptions if the mother’s life is at risk, if the pregnancy was a result of rape or incest, or if two physicians who practice “maternal fetal medicine” both determine that the fetus “has a defect that is uniformly diagnosable and uniformly lethal or ... has a severe brain abnormality that is uniformly diagnosable.” Although exceptions are currently in place, the Utah Republican Party has signaled it may want to see even more restrictions in the future. A proposed platform amendment introduced last month would remove the language making exceptions to preserve the life of the mother or in cases of rape or incest.

How abortion access will change in Utah if Roe v. Wade is overturned

The Supreme Court has privately voted to overturn Roe v. Wade according to a leaked draft opinion, meaning the procedure could soon be illegal in Utah.

www.deseret.com

 

[Deleted member 365]

Where was it that recently a woman was prosecuted for having a miscarriage? Pakistan? Saudi Arabia? Texas?

She miscarried but was prosecuted for it. The prosecutors eventually dropped charges. But she’s still left with legal fees. And the social ostracism. Imagine trying to go back to work after having your name dragged through the mud.

Is this really the society we want to live in folks???

Why was a Texas woman charged with murder over an abortion?

Texas prosecutors dropped their nonexistent case, but it will still have a chilling effect.

www.vox.com