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Roe v. Wade is going down

That is how it works which is why California, New York, and Illinois are all losing population while Florida and Texas are gaining population.
Is that also why Washington, Oregon, and Colorado are gaining population while West Virginia, Louisiana, and Mississippi are losing population? It's almost like other factors are more important.

When politicians do stupid things like turning 1950's Detroit into 1980's Detroit, people leave.
When politicians do these things in Atlanta, they come in droves. It's almost like other factors are more important.
 
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The reported draft opinion is thoughtful, scholarly, and thorough. It does the work that the majority in Roe and Casey refused to do, looking to the Constitution itself to determine whether it includes a right to an abortion. The opinion concludes it does not.

The 9th amendment does not mention the states at all. Rights are retained exclusively by people.


The 10th does refer to powers, but says these power might belong to the states, or the people.



If the law recognizes abortion as a right of the people, it might pass muster here. My understand is that the 9th does not create rights on its own, just recognizes that unenumerated rights might exist.
I get your point, but the IX and X amendment have both been consistently interpreted to give rights to the states.

Originally the Ninth included a clause that Madison drafted that would not allow courts expand federal power by interpretation. This was removed by a committee to Madison's dismay. Federalists wanted the bill of rights to prevent federal expansion of power. Makes sense due to political climate at the time. The removal of that clause completely gutted the original intent, and has been used as an excuse for judicial activism ever since. My concern with judicial activism is it allows lifetime appointees to create (not interpret) the laws that affect us all. Not that this is much worse than law created by legislators that generally don't give a damn about their constituents.

There is a question whether the Commerce Clause would allow Federal regulation of abortion. There have been debates on trying to expand the commerce clause with a roller coaster of success and failure since 120 in the EC Knight case and has continued with Lopez, Morrison and Raich as the main cases from my recollection. Where Raich comes to a different conclusion that Lopez and Morrison, but the trending thought it the CC can't be used to allow protect abortion rights and prevent restriction of them. The CC like many part of the Constitution, have different interpretations, but I think the current court would more likely say that states have rights so the Federal Gov. law preserving abortion would likely be unconstitutional on that basis alone.

At the same time, this reversal can be a double edged sword. Pro-choice proponents can now push for states to allow abortion at much later terms (for good or bad) that pre-viability (some states were doing that already, which was likely illegal).

As far as the leak, the more I think about it, the more I think it could have come from either size of the bench. A sad day for the court.

A similar bill was already proposed, but they needed 60 votes, and it didn't get close. Even removing the filibuster, they may not get it. I guess we will see...
 
Fun fact: There is nothing illegal about this leak, no matter who did it. So, sure, prosecute them to the fullest extent of the law.
 
Fun fact: There is nothing illegal about this leak, no matter who did it. So, sure, prosecute them to the fullest extent of the law.
No, but it may cause the person to have violated the ethical rules of their respective bar, which could ruin their career. A bold move if itnwas a law clerk in the early part of their career.
 
The reported draft opinion is thoughtful, scholarly, and thorough. It does the work that the majority in Roe and Casey refused to do, looking to the Constitution itself to determine whether it includes a right to an abortion. The opinion concludes it does not.
This is you speaking as a lawyer or Constitutional scholar? Because from what I can tell, opinions on the thoughtfulness, scholarliness, and thoroughness of Roe/Casey seem to vary with a person's political bent.

I get your point, but the IX and X amendment have both been consistently interpreted to give rights to the states.
I did look up the history of jurisprudence on these amendments, and to my very untrained eye, this seems to be true for the X, while the IX has primarily been seen as "this is how you read the Constitution" as opposed to being something that supports states ability to legislate. Can you name any case where the IX has been used to support state powers (as opposed to saying it is not relevant to an argument regard state powers)?

The removal of that clause completely gutted the original intent, and has been used as an excuse for judicial activism ever since.
From what I can tell, the first case of it's uses for "activism" was in Griswold vs Connecticut, (1965), regarding the right to use contraception being removed by a state government (also a right not enumerated in the Constitution). Do you feel that usage was incorrect?

My concern with judicial activism is it allows lifetime appointees to create (not interpret) the laws that affect us all. Not that this is much worse than law created by legislators that generally don't give a damn about their constituents.
So often, 'rulings I don't like' = "judicial activism" (on both the right and the left). What's your definition of "judicial activism"?
 
This is you speaking as a lawyer or Constitutional scholar? Because from what I can tell, opinions on the thoughtfulness, scholarliness, and thoroughness of Roe/Casey seem to vary with a person's political bent.


I did look up the history of jurisprudence on these amendments, and to my very untrained eye, this seems to be true for the X, while the IX has primarily been seen as "this is how you read the Constitution" as opposed to being something that supports states ability to legislate. Can you name any case where the IX has been used to support state powers (as opposed to saying it is not relevant to an argument regard state powers)?


From what I can tell, the first case of it's uses for "activism" was in Griswold vs Connecticut, (1965), regarding the right to use contraception being removed by a state government (also a right not enumerated in the Constitution). Do you feel that usage was incorrect?


So often, 'rulings I don't like' = "judicial activism" (on both the right and the left). What's your definition of "judicial activism"?
I am not a constitutional scholar, and am a very slightly left leaning centrist. Left more on social issues and slightly right on fiscal policy.

As I have said previously, I respect a women's right to choose but personally believe in the sanctity of all life (against death penalty too).

What I don't like, is when appointed (often for life) federal judges, leglislate from the bench, pulling out ideas that seem to have no rational basis from the underlying text or legislative history.

So even though I like the immediate outcome of Roe, Casey and Griswold (abortion and birth control rights), I do think they are interpreting the Constitution to provide rights that aren't there, and expanding in a way Madison and many founders feared and wanted to prevent courts from having the power to do. I'd rather see federal laws or amendments rather than a court decide a right to privacy (or other provisions) exist in the Constitution when it just doesn't exist. Marbury v. Madison was the first time the court expanded their power, and since the White House got the ruling they wanted, they accepted it. Like Madison, I think a government that creates laws through elected officials is a better choice. Courts should have the most limited power of the three branches of government.

Our legislators should make laws.

You have to also realize Roe and Casey were double edged swords. It gave rights but also restricted abortions. Now that is out the window (if it is ruled as drafted). So states will now have even more autonomy. Nonprofits can transport women across borders to ensure they can abort at any time a state allows with no restrictions. IMO, no one really wins from this.
 
Douchebag K: annnnndddd here comes america's next civil war
Al-O-Meter: Not at all. People will move rather than fight a civil war.
Gameface: This is so incredibly dumb.
Al-O-Meter: Do you really believe war is preferable to relocating to a different state?
Gameface: Oh for ****s sake. We're not going to have a civil war over this.
Glad we're in agreement.
 
is life...is human...is distinct from its host.
Who taught you biology?!?

if you submit a DNA sample to 23&me of a tumor and a sample from anywhere else in the body, it will come back as the same person because it is the same person. If you take a DNA sample from a fetus and a same of the mother, they will come back as different people because they are different people.
 
I’m probably the most pro life of any of you. I believe life begins at ejaculation. Every ejaculation results in millions of deaths. Do you really want that on your conscience? God will certainly judge you. It’s genocide. Every time you go to porn hub or (in my case) get a Grannies shake in Heber, you commit genocide. You want that? You’re worse than Hitler.

This is why I advocate for mandatory vasectomies for all boys once they reach puberty. Any boys who don’t get a vasectomy? Can be charged with murder. Anyone caught helping these boys avoid this medical procedure? Can be turned in for $10,000 dollars. That goes for doctors, uber drivers, etc. Why the hell not? The constitution doesn’t say we can’t do this. And we aren’t a democracy either. So why the hell not?

Sure this might be obstructive, risk some boys’ lives, and be expensive. But I’m pro life so deal with it! We need to save the lives of millions of sperm. And since I can’t tell you what life is exactly, I’ll just claim that god told me that sperm is life and expect you to respect me and my views. The vasectomy can be reversed once these young men prove that they want children and can support children. After all, I don’t want any sperm to be dropped, wasted, or killed.

If you think I’m extreme please check yourself. Please respect my sincerely held religious beliefs. Don’t cancel me. Don’t cancel sperm. **** your feelings, get snipped, and stop committing genocide.

Stop killing sperm you godless Nazi commies
 
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I fought cancer and won... and then I got charged with suicide.
Did the constitution explicitly say you could fight cancer?

Should’ve thought about that before you beat cancer. Checkmate lib

Btw, if you really did beat cancer, congrats. Seriously.
 
Did the constitution explicitly say you could fight cancer?

Should’ve thought about that before you beat cancer. Checkmate lib

Btw, if you really did beat cancer, congrats. Seriously.
I didn't. It was a joke.
 
I didn't. It was a joke.
Thought so. But wanted to make sure.

Time for you to go to the point. Actually, straight to the electric chair. You shouldn’t have killed off that cancer. Life is life. And I’m very very pro life. The constitution doesn’t specifically say you can kill cancer. Sucks for you I guess
 
Thought so. But wanted to make sure.

Time for you to go to the point. Actually, straight to the electric chair. You shouldn’t have killed off that cancer. Life is life. And I’m very very pro life. The constitution doesn’t specifically say you can kill cancer. Sucks for you I guess
Who am I to play God, after all?
 
I’m probably the most pro life of any of you. I believe life begins at ejaculation. Every ejaculation results in millions of deaths. Do you really want that on your conscience? God will certainly judge you. It’s genocide. Every time you go to porn hub or (in my case) get a Grannies shake in Heber, you commit genocide. You want that? You’re worse than Hitler.

This is why I advocate for mandatory vasectomies for all boys once they reach puberty. Any boys who don’t get a vasectomy? Can be charged with murder. Anyone caught helping these boys avoid this medical procedure? Can be turned in for $10,000 dollars. That goes for doctors, uber drivers, etc. Why the hell not? The constitution doesn’t say we can’t do this. And we aren’t a democracy either. So why the hell not?

Sure this might be obstructive, risk some boys’ lives, and be expensive. But I’m pro life so deal with it! We need to save the lives of millions of sperm. And since I can’t tell you what life is exactly, I’ll just claim that god told me that sperm is life and expect you to respect me and my views. The vasectomy can be reversed once these young men prove that they want children and can support children. After all, I don’t want any sperm to be dropped, wasted, or killed.

If you think I’m extreme please check yourself. Please respect my sincerely held religious beliefs. Don’t cancel me. Don’t cancel sperm. **** your feelings, get snipped, and stop committing genocide.

Stop killing sperm you godless Nazi commies
Except that a vasectomy doesn't actually stop the body from producing sperm, it just means it's stuck in the testes and reabsorbed. I'm not sure what that means for your views.
 
Except that a vasectomy doesn't actually stop the body from producing sperm, it just means it's stuck in the testes and reabsorbed. I'm not sure what that means for your views.
Lol. Dammit. I believe in alt facts. Life doesn’t begin until ejaculation.
 
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Nearly everywhere in the United States, including super-lefty California, it is considered a double homicide to kill a pregnant woman.

link: https://www.ncsl.org/research/health/fetal-homicide-state-laws.aspx

This has nothing to do with religion. I defy you to give me a scientific definition of life that does not count a fetus as life. Moreover, if you test the DNA of that fetus you will find that it is human. You will also find that little developing human is a distinct life from the mother. A fetus is human life and thankfully the law is now being made to match that obvious, provable fact. Do what you want with your own body so long as you aren't harming another, and if you do harm another then law enforcement should get involved.

****ing nonsense, so two tickets on a plane, two names on the manifest, Chelsea Burrows and Foetus Burrows? Do us all a favour and pull your head out of your arse, a foetus is not a citizen, should not be treated as such and does not have the rights of a citizen. It is not another person, it is a parasite in uterus until its born. Are the police going to start investigating every miscarriage as a murder? Why do conservatives want government so small it only occupies peoples bedrooms?
 
a foetus is not a citizen, should not be treated as such and does not have the rights of a citizen.
Does that mean you believe that people should be able to kill illegal immigrants for sport? I value human life. I don't even support the death penalty for the worst criminals. As for restrictions on what people are able to do in their own bedroom, I'm libertarian and guarantee that I'm way on the other side of you in championing freedoms there but I don't think it should be some sort of weird safe space where if you rape someone you can't be charged if it took place in a bedroom, or if you are filming child pornography it can't be charged if it was in a bedroom. As for the premeditated snuffing out of a human life, I don't think it should be allowed to go unchallenged in a bedroom, a clinic, or anywhere else even if the one ordering the killing was a woman and biologically related to the life being ended.
 
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