Al-O-Meter
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That is because it is immaterial in a discussion over what the federal government has the power to do.
Roe v. Wade is going down
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The federal government has the power to protect our rights. Not just the ones they initially enumerated in the bill of rights.
The Thriller
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Want to end most/all unwanted pregnancies? Make all young men get vasectomies. They’re reversible, right? Make them all get vasectomies until they want children and can provide for them. Any takers? After all, I’m pro life too!
The Bill of Rights is just the first 10 amendments to the Constitution. The Ninth gives power to the states for powers not enumerated in the Constitution to the Federal Gov.
So they could pass a law, but it would be immediately challenged and stayed until the Sup. Ct. could review.
It may work, but based on the reasoning in the leaked ruling (no constitutional right to abortion), any new federal law that isn't an amendment would likely be found to be unconstitutional. Still, worth a try to see how it pans out.
I actually think the court's interpretation here is correct, as the right to privacy was made up by the court, and stretching that to abortion is a big stretch. There are enough people for it that I don't think a constitutional amendment is out of reach, but would still be very difficult (as any amendment to our core law should be).
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So if I kill a pregnant woman, how many murders do I get charged for? I will stick to the law, religion can be a great thing in peoples lives, keep your religion out of my life.
Would almost be humorous if there wasn't a significant audience for it. People are ****ing primitive.
Al-O-Meter
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Nearly everywhere in the United States, including super-lefty California, it is considered a double homicide to kill a pregnant woman.
link: https://www.ncsl.org/research/health/fetal-homicide-state-laws.aspx
This has nothing to do with religion. I defy you to give me a scientific definition of life that does not count a fetus as life. Moreover, if you test the DNA of that fetus you will find that it is human. You will also find that little developing human is a distinct life from the mother. A fetus is human life and thankfully the law is now being made to match that obvious, provable fact. Do what you want with your own body so long as you aren't harming another, and if you do harm another then law enforcement should get involved.
Al-O-Meter
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That is only true if the basis for the powers are codified in the constitution or constitutional amendments. For example, the federal government can protect you from cigarettes and harmful drugs because of the commerce clause in article 1 of the constitution. The federal government can also protect civil rights because of the equal protection clause of the 14th amendment. However, if it is not an enumerated power in the constitution or constitutional amendments then the federal government does not have the power to “protect” whatever made up rights they want and that is because of the 10th amendment.
Douchebag K
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annnnndddd here comes america's next civil war
the only thing i can say with absolute clarity is that late term abortions in the last trimester are an absolute abomination. Aside from that each to their own.
the only thing i can say with absolute clarity is that late term abortions in the last trimester are an absolute abomination. Aside from that each to their own.
The Thriller
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What’s a late term abortion to you? Do you believe in allowing any exceptions? Does the story below count as an abortion to you? It would count in Texas.
Do you think we're closer to a civil war now than on Jan 6? Why or why not? It seems weird that we'd see a civil war since Republicans are getting what they want and Democrats can use this as a rallying point to hold onto the House and expand control of the Senate.
How would a civil war be fought in America? Where would the dividing lines be both physically and politically? Those who support CHOICE and those who don't? You realize that 2/3rds of the county supports Roe, right? How would dividing lines physically be drawn, Sandy and Draper vs Midvale and the avenues? Would Park City become the capital of the liberals? Even in the middle of Draper or Lehi you'll find pockets of liberal neighbors and neighborhoods. What would be the point of a civil war again? Like what would qualify as "victory?"
Just curious, have you ever been to America before?
View: https://twitter.com/maiamimi/status/1521514357976354817?s=21&t=kGT_qRBNSo6PaJ7QvQNBnQ
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Al-O-Meter
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Not at all. The issue of legality of abortion would fall to the states. If you like a woman's right to kill an unborn fetus, then live in California. If you don't think women should have a right to kill and unborn fetus then Texas and Florida welcome you. You don't need to pick up arms when moving trucks are easily rentable.
This is so incredibly dumb.
You realize this is not an option for what I would guess would be a majority of people in this country?
Also, can you imagine if that's how it worked? The day after this happens a hundred million people or so moved from one state to another. The chaos would be crippling for the better part of a year.
The Thriller
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Also, the majority of the country supports Roe. Only 28 % believe Roe should be overturned.
With Supreme Court poised to reverse Roe, most Americans support abortion rights: POLL
Majorities of Americans support upholding Roe v. Wade, and say abortion should be legal in all or most cases.
abcnews.go.com
70 % of Americans believe abortion should be a decision made between a doctor and the woman, NOT the government.
I can understand why some repubs insist that we aren't a democracy. They're increasingly out of step with the majority of America's population and culture. It must really suck to live in a country populated with a majority of people that you disagree with or hate.
Al-O-Meter
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That is how it works which is why California, New York, and Illinois are all losing population while Florida and Texas are gaining population.
When politicians do stupid things like turning 1950's Detroit into 1980's Detroit, people leave. People move about the country. Just ask Joe Rogan who conveniently left California for Texas right before signing his 9-figure deal with Spotify.
Gameface, you were in the military. Of all people, you should know. Do you really believe war is preferable to relocating to a different state? Fighting while watching friends and family die in horrible ways versus going to U-Haul?
Your saying the story isn't news, or that Vice is endorsing women making their own pills? If not, what's the relevance to "the left wants to make abortion pills out of…Horse Medicine"?
So, we both agree that no one has done anything to oppose "my body, my choice" regarding ivermectin/misoprostal.
I was just pointing out your positions were irrational.
I am famous for my lack of humor. It's been mentioned many, many times around here.
Well, if there's anything you're known for around here, it's your light, pleasant take on political and social events.
Except, they are, especially when those humans are trying to use parts of those men's bodies without permission.
Ever, under any circumstances? I doubt you believe that.
That's every society, ever.
Oh for ****s sake. We're not going to have a civil war over this.
People who CAN move might do so. Who's left in Detroit? People who don't have the financial means to get out, that's who. That's millions of people. There are a lot of poor people in this country who can't simply pack up and leave. These are people who don't own their own home and can't easily afford first and last month's rent plus deposit on top moving expenses.
People are following the jobs, not political ideology. Californians can often cash in on their house and move to what were lower housing cost areas where they can find a job in their field and come out hundreds of thousands of dollars ahead. These are people that were already middle class. This isn't the reality for very many people who make under $20/hr.
U.S. Constitution - Ninth Amendment | Resources | Constitution Annotated | Congress.gov | Library of Congress
The original text of the Ninth Amendment of the Constitution of the United States.
The 9th amendment does not mention the states at all. Rights are retained exclusively by people.
U.S. Constitution - Tenth Amendment | Resources | Constitution Annotated | Congress.gov | Library of Congress
The original text of the Tenth Amendment of the Constitution of the United States.
The 10th does refer to powers, but says these power might belong to the states, or the people.
If the law recognizes abortion as a right of the people, it might pass muster here. My understand is that the 9th does not create rights on its own, just recognizes that unenumerated rights might exist.
I defy you to give me a scientific definition of life that does not include a cancer tumor as life.
If you test the DNA of a cancer tumor in a human, you will find that it is human.
You will find that the developing cancer tumor is distinct from its host.
As is a cancer tumor.