What's new
By:
Filters

Roe v. Wade is going down

The Thriller said:
Thank you for sharing this. I think this issue is very complex.
Click to expand...
It's extremely complex, extremely emotional, and an issue I don't believe there will be much universal agreement on in my lifetime.

Personally I'm a bit uncomfortable with abortion after the first trimester, and think third trimester abortions are pretty awful, though I do know that they are a very small percentage. Ultimately I don't believe it should be outlawed, though if 3rd trimester abortion were outlawed (other than say cases where the woman's life was in danger) I wouldn't be outraged by it. Ultimately though I'm not female, I will never have to make the choice, and regardless of my opinions on the matter, I'm not the one who has to go thru both the procedure and the possible mental effects of having it, which is why I err on the side of them having the choice in a the safest legal way possible.
 
One Brow said:
Absolutely, and so was I, so were my siblings, and so were my children. All were born to women who truly wanted us, and we are grateful.
Click to expand...
Wanting something doesn’t justify whether it should exist or not. Especially something living. Some parents don’t want their 1 year old. Doesn’t mean they should be tossed out.
 
JazzGal said:
The simplest solution is that no man have sex unless he intends to have a child from that encounter that he can financially and emotionally support. Let's put the blame of unwanted pregnancies where it really belongs.

If you don't like abortion, don't get one or put a woman in the position of making that choice. Otherwise, stay out of anyone else's decision. IT IS NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS.

The only thing that everyone agrees upon is that a valid human life is definite at birth. It is opinion only up until then, no matter how strongly you feel about it. Make that decision for yourself and only yourself.

If you believe in a god, especially a Christian one, then follow the admonition to not judge and let your god take care of it.

Sent from my SM-A426U using JazzFanz mobile app
Click to expand...
Your first paragraph I agree with, other than it takes two to have sex and make a baby, so both parties involved are equally to blame.

We share a common society. So yes. It’s all our business. If you murder your one year old we should all have a problem with it, and then it is a common societies business. We are a civilized society. For the same reason you can’t kill your child just because they’re your kid, society gets to have a say here on where the line on abortion is.

And, yeah Jazzgal…5 days before that child is born it’s not a person….Saying that birth is what makes it a child is nonsense. We can discuss where the line is. But it’s somewhere before birth. If you couldn’t bring yourself to kill what’s inside someone a week before it’s born, don’t tell me the line is birth. If you would kill that bundle of cells a week before it goes through the birthing process and you want to deny that’s something living…well…you’re evil and deserve to be called as such. You didn’t say that, but you’re implying it by saying birth confers whether it’s a life or not is all we can agree on. No. I think about everyone can agree there’s a point somewhere before it’s born that it’s not okay, and not one of you people would feel comfortable killing it yourself, so there must be something wrong there.
 
Last edited:
Eminence said:
3rd trimester abortions are such a red herring.
Click to expand...
Pete Buttigieg said it best, but, basically, nobody has a 3rd trimester abortion who didn't want the baby. They're only done in extremely extreme conditions.

If it's that late in your pregnancy, than almost by definition, you've been expecting to carry it to term. We're talking about women who have perhaps chosen a name. Women who have purchased a crib, families that then get the most devastating medical news of their lifetime, something about the health or the life of the mother or viability of the pregnancy that forces them to make an impossible, unthinkable choice. And the bottom line is as horrible as that choice is, that woman, that family may seek spiritual guidance, they may seek medical guidance, but that decision is not going to be made any better, medically or morally, because the government is dictating how that decision should be made.
Click to expand...
 
oneye said:
Wanting something doesn’t justify whether it should exist or not. Especially something living. Some parents don’t want their 1 year old. Doesn’t mean they should be tossed out.
Click to expand...
Again, safe haven laws exist for those circumstances. You can get rid of a 1-year-old without them dying. Not so much with fetuses.
 
The Thriller said:
In your view, when should abortion be allowed?
Click to expand...
It should be allowed to a certain point in development of the fetus, and in those instances. The moronic approach of some to point to rape, incest, and possible death of the mother are #1 exempt from nearly all abortion bans, and #2 make up the tiniest fraction of pregnancy cases. Abortion advocates like to bring those up as some sort of defense for all abortions. They’re literally exempt under nearly every single ban.
 
One Brow said:
Again, safe haven laws exist for those circumstances. You can get rid of a 1-year-old without them dying. Not so much with fetuses.
Click to expand...
Sure you can, you can allow it to be born, then put a child up for adoption too. Again, you don’t get to simply decide the existence of something due to its convenience for you. At root, it’s plain to see why the arguments some of you have are pure evil lol. You have to sit here and rationalize killing something that if left alone will be a living and breathing human being.
 
JazzGal said:

View: https://www.facebook.com/620968622/posts/10160727594668623/?sfnsn=mo


Sent from my SM-A426U using JazzFanz mobile app
Click to expand...

So let’s start holding men more accountable and stop trying to defend killing something that will be a breathing living human within 9 months. Guess what everyone! The woman in nearly all these cases decided to have sex too. The man should be held equally accountable, under law, from the day the pregnancy begins. Make safer, better, sand smarter CHOICES up front. You don’t get to kill something out of convenience to you, sorry. The choice was, you had sex and either had an accident or weren’t safe with it. Oh well. That’s was the choice. Unless a woman is forced to have sex (which is rape not sex and exempt from nearly every abortion ban) then that’s the choice that was made. Choices have consequences.


Btw Jazzgal care to answer the question….a baby that’s 7,8 months developed. Could you stick a knife through its head? If your answer is no, then don’t tell me the line is birth.

32 week old fetus? Which of you are down to stab it in the head and end it’s development? Birth confers personhood right? You should have no issue with it. (If your answer is yes you’re an immoral and evil human being).

1729199B-8375-4122-AF85-7675DD5CF5DF.jpeg
 
Last edited:
One Brow said:
Biblically, it's breathing that makes it alive. Then again, I don't moral take my cues from Iron Age literature.
Click to expand...
That’s nice I don’t take my cues from the Bible. I just take them from a human level feeling of morality that abortion isn’t something I’m going to pound my chest for when you’re simply advocating for killing the basis of human life. There’s not a human out there who didn’t start as that bundle of cells. Well…other than those two in the Bible.
 
oneye said:
It should be allowed to a certain point in development of the fetus, and in those instances. The moronic approach of some to point to rape, incest, and possible death of the mother are #1 exempt from nearly all abortion bans, and #2 make up the tiniest fraction of pregnancy cases. Abortion advocates like to bring those up as some sort of defense for all abortions. They’re literally exempt under nearly every single ban.
Click to expand...

To note, no, they aren't exempt from plenty of the bans currently being introduced - eg Texas.
 
gandalfe said:
Pete Buttigieg said it best, but, basically, nobody has a 3rd trimester abortion who didn't want the baby. They're only done in extremely extreme conditions.
Click to expand...
The Learning Channel (TLC) had the best debunking of that myth by producing a television show called 'I Didn't Know I Was Pregnant'. It has been running for 5 seasons and is ongoing.
1656338183399.jpeg
 
oneye said:
Sure you can, you can allow it to be born, then put a child up for adoption too.
Click to expand...
If I changed another person's body to extant pregnancy does, against their wishes, that would be battery, and probably felony-level battery. Saying the fetus has no intention to harm doesn't reduce the harm.

oneye said:
There’s not a human out there who didn’t start as that bundle of cells. Well…other than those two in the Bible.
Click to expand...
They should start with women who are willing to endure permanent bodily alterations for the sake of the children, rather than be forced into them.
 
Gameface said:
I think you're being alarmist and taking focus away from the real issues here. What would an investigation into a possible miscarriage/abortion look like? Did that exist before? Is anyone talking about doing that. Would they force the woman to get a medical examination to maybe prove that it was an abortion? Are states abortion restrictions worded in such a way as to establish anything like this?
Click to expand...
Might look something like this


View: https://twitter.com/denisew1031/status/1541270002258558977?s=21&t=btwV-AHPTXYcjBCIX8K3cQ


A glimpse into the future perhaps? I’m pretty sure this was a message bill proposed by a Democrat. But how often have we seen in the last few years the absurd become normalized? Like buying Greenland, blackmailing Zelensky, dropping nukes on hurricanes, building walls between us and Mexico, or banning abortion…
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Share this page

Top