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fishonjazz said:
A dude in my league just traded some of his best players for garbage. His team is 1-11 and the teams he traded with are in the playoff hunt. It pisses me off pretty bad. He traded najee harris for some garbage backup running back for the jets. He traded derek carr, stevenson (running back for patriots) and that raiders wide reciever from the packers (drawing a blank right now lol) for trash.

And he gets no benefit. One of the trades was with his brother whose team is 8-4 right now and is playing me this week. The other trade was with his buddy. I might fight a new league to play in next due to that BS

For clarification this is not a dynasty league so there is no advantage to tanking.
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This is pure collusion and you should get out of that league ASAP.
 
Elizah Huge said:
There is definite tanking. In fantasy football at least not sure about basketball. A couple players in fantasy football can really change the outlook of your team. One guy in my league is 2-10 right now and just traded some of his starters to contenders for draft picks. He has the #1 pick locked up and has a couple of other pretty decent picks. The draft is for incoming rookies. This upcoming draft has a lot of potential fantasy studs.
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Yeah but how do those tanking teams build a winning culture later?
 
The roster that Dallas has assembled around Luka is honestly depressing. That much money tied up into THJ, Bertans, and McGee is embarrassing. I know it's been said a lot already, but it just blows my mind how a team gets such a golden goose and then does everything else wrong.
 
Jaanipoeg said:
The roster that Dallas has assembled around Luka is honestly depressing. That much money tied up into THJ, Bertans, and McGee is embarrassing. I know it's been said a lot already, but it just blows my mind how a team gets such a golden goose and then does everything else wrong.
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They play defense pretty well but scoring depth on that team is non-existent. They have Christian Wood who is scoring 25 or 5 points every other night and Dinwiddie who occasionally gets hot from 3 but usually scores 10-20 points. They dont have legit #2 guy.

But as I've stated before, I think the way Luka plays serves him but not the team. He slows down the game so much and keeps the hands cold for others for such long stretches at times. The guy is an amazing scorer and one of the best I've ever seen in creating his own buckets from anywhere in the field with his movesets, but I don't think it will lead to team success as long as he plays the way he does.

Its 100% obvious you cannot insert anyone who wants to handle the ball with him, but even the majority of catch and shoot guys and off ball scorers in this league would struggle to stay in any rhythm with Lukas playstyle. I mean the guys usage rate is almost 40%.. IN AN AVERAGE GAME (worst outliers are like 60% usage).
 
HermanG said:
They play defense pretty well but scoring depth on that team is non-existent. They have Christian Wood who is scoring 25 or 5 points every other night and Dinwiddie who occasionally gets hot from 3 but usually scores 10-20 points. They dont have legit #2 guy.

But as I've stated before, I think the way Luka plays serves him but not the team. He slows down the game so much and keeps the hands cold for others for such long stretches at times. The guy is an amazing scorer and one of the best I've ever seen in creating his own buckets from anywhere in the field with his movesets, but I don't think it will lead to team success as long as he plays the way he does.

Its 100% obvious you cannot insert anyone who wants to handle the ball with him, but even the majority of catch and shoot guys and off ball scorers in this league would struggle to stay in any rhythm with Lukas playstyle. I mean the guys usage rate is almost 40%.. IN AN AVERAGE GAME (worst outliers are like 60% usage).
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Amen.

It's almost impossible to find a legit #2 guy for that team. Such a difficult role.

Brunson did a fantastic job. He was able to play off the ball efficiently when sharing the court with Luka, but carried the offense when Luka sat. That's hard to do.

The Mavs should have done whatever it took to retain him. I guess they didn't realize how important he was.
 
Jaanipoeg said:
The roster that Dallas has assembled around Luka is honestly depressing. That much money tied up into THJ, Bertans, and McGee is embarrassing. I know it's been said a lot already, but it just blows my mind how a team gets such a golden goose and then does everything else wrong.
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Damn, I just googled it. For some reason I assumed they got Javale on a vet minimum. They pulled a Utah Jazz move on that one
 
Tremendous Upside said:
Amen.

It's almost impossible to find a legit #2 guy for that team. Such a difficult role.

Brunson did a fantastic job. He was able to play off the ball efficiently when sharing the court with Luka, but carried the offense when Luka sat. That's hard to do.

The Mavs should have done whatever it took to retain him. I guess they didn't realize how important he was.
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You are absolutely correct there. Brunson was an absolute gem for them. Mavs were dumb not to extend him and dangle him as a trade bait....

As we saw with Porzingis, they gotta be really careful as to who they bring in. Even if they are content and skilled playing off ball offensively, they also need to be able to tolerate Lukas antics and temper, without ever calling him out. Being a Mavs scout might be the most difficult scouting position in pro sports.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Damn, I just googled it. For some reason I assumed they got Javale on a vet minimum. They pulled a Utah Jazz move on that one
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Yeah they also pay Davis Bertans 16M a year for 7.7 minutes per game and he is signed through 2024 with a player option for 2024-25 season. That contract is 100% untradable right now, even as a salary filler.
 
HermanG said:
Yeah they also pay Davis Bertans 16M a year for 7.7 minutes per game and he is signed through 2024 with a player option for 2024-25 season. That contract is 100% untradable right now, even as a salary filler.
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They didn't sign him tho. That was the price for trading Porzingis contract
 
HermanG said:
You are absolutely correct there. Brunson was an absolute gem for them. Mavs were dumb not to extend him and dangle him as a trade bait....

As we saw with Porzingis, they gotta be really careful as to who they bring in. Even if they are content and skilled playing off ball offensively, they also need to be able to tolerate Lukas antics and temper, without ever calling him out. Being a Mavs scout might be the most difficult scouting position in pro sports.
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Yeah Luka is so talented and special, and also one of the top 2-3 divas in the league. With that combo you get a lot of 1 on 5 offense, and not much else, and it will be hard for them to pair him with anyone effectively.

Really Dallas would shine with Gobert and a player like Clarkson. Some instant offense and a big that feeds on lobs. That would give Luka some prime tools to work with. That is why Porz didn't work out, he wanted to ball too much. With Gobert, he would be happy to be the roll man every single time down the floor while Luka worked the defense and got him some really good open looks.
 
Jaanipoeg said:
The roster that Dallas has assembled around Luka is honestly depressing. That much money tied up into THJ, Bertans, and McGee is embarrassing. I know it's been said a lot already, but it just blows my mind how a team gets such a golden goose and then does everything else wrong.
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I was thinking the same thing. Luka is so so so good. His teammates are not.
At least wood seems like a good addition but they need to get luka some help


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Eddie Zero said:
Green is getting better but that is hardly someone they want to trade either. Hardy is not a chip and the pick wont be any good
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How is Hardy not a chip? The dude is absolutely slaying it in the G-Leauge and is a big time talent. The pick could be amazing. They are currently not in the playoffs this year. No guarantee 2025 is going to be a great year for them.
 
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