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Handlogten's Heros said:
I wish their team wasn't so awful... would be easier to see if he could pass or not. That shot selection makes me itch... but it might be more necessity or because he is given too much leash. He's intriguing but I'm not taking him over Amen, Miller, Whitmore, Black and prolly not Nick Smith (though I'm not a big fan). I can see someone going top 10 and I would feel way more comfortable with him in the late lotto or mid first. Interviews and off court research would be big in my evaluation.
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I actually see it as a benefit that he is on a bad team because it gives him the opportunity to work on all different things. A lot of the times when you are on a good time you get pinched into a certain role and never get the opportunity to show other aspects of your game. By the end of this year we will have tape on him doing virtually everything and from there we can project how he may develop in the future.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
I think it's almost 100% proven if you are a top prospect college is an awful choice from a draft position perspective. The college game has a higher chance of hurting your stock than it does helping if your stock is already considered in the top 5 range, especially if you are choosing your school based on how much money they are paying you.
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It isn't 100% proven at all. In fact I would say it is the opposite. If Lamelo plays college ball then I think goes #1. If Jaden Hardy plays college ball I think he is a lottery pick last year.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Have you seen their passing or their handles? At this point there really is only one question on both of them and it's shooting. IDK how much you are going to learn from them playing 1 v 1 against other draftees as they would likely smoke most players in this draft 1 v 1. The bigger thing for these top tier guys is the interview process and what you think of their ability to improve.

They also went out and played in The Basketball Tournament, which has many high level basketball players. They did an overseas tour (not really sure how good those teams where considered). They've been out there playing basketball in front of cameras like @Handlogten's Heros said. OTE basically just seems like a Prep School where they have the teams play NBA style basketball, but I dont think the talent level is that bad individually, just a bunch of young guys trying to play up and down style.
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It is so hard to really judge their passing and handles in such a trash league. It is such a bummer that they chose to pass on college.
 
GG Jackson was the #1 player (over DJ Wagner) in the 2024 class before reclassifying. Interesting to think about if he’d be the favorite for the #1 pick if he didn’t reclassify.
 
Chargers Jazz Angels said:
What do you all think about Maxwell Lewis from Pepperdine?

Has good size at 6'7". Has some pretty decent stats especially the 43% from 3 on a solid 5 attempts per game. Seems to play defense.


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His defense is ***… per the no ceilings guys. They still have him late lotto early mid first… I think that is fair.
 
Emoni Bates is only 8 days older than Anthony Black and is a full year younger than the Thompson twins. He obviously can score the ball at an elite level. I still have faith in him. Where is he currently projected to go? I wouldn’t be surprised if he trends towards the late teens early twenties by draft time.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Maybe if you don't have eyes
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A lot of guys look great playing against trash. Them in their current league is similar to the borderline nba guys that go to China and look like superstars. That doesn't mean that I don't think they can be really good players but it sucks having to judge guys basically from pickup games.
 
sip said:
A lot of guys look great playing against trash. Them in their current league is similar to the borderline nba guys that go to China and look like superstars. That doesn't mean that I don't think they can be really good players but it sucks having to judge guys basically from pickup games.
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Still grown men. Again… Giannis played in a garbage league. You can see how good they will be… you can see their strengths and weaknesses. The jump shot is the only reason for concern on them.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Have you seen their passing or their handles? At this point there really is only one question on both of them and it's shooting. IDK how much you are going to learn from them playing 1 v 1 against other draftees as they would likely smoke most players in this draft 1 v 1. The bigger thing for these top tier guys is the interview process and what you think of their ability to improve.

They also went out and played in The Basketball Tournament, which has many high level basketball players. They did an overseas tour (not really sure how good those teams where considered). They've been out there playing basketball in front of cameras like @Handlogten's Heros said. OTE basically just seems like a Prep School where they have the teams play NBA style basketball, but I dont think the talent level is that bad individually, just a bunch of young guys trying to play up and down style.
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ote is horrible competition where nobody plays defense. that's why it was a smart decision for them to play there. because you are right that college exposes guys a lot more often than it elevates them. either don't play at all or go play somewhere where nobody cares to defend and the coaches don't care.
 
sip said:
A lot of guys look great playing against trash. Them in their current league is similar to the borderline nba guys that go to China and look like superstars. That doesn't mean that I don't think they can be really good players but it sucks having to judge guys basically from pickup games.
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Again, I'm sorry you don't have eyes. Future pros play in college against plenty of terrible competition. The style of play is just different so it doesn't look as uneven.
seattlejazzfan said:
ote is horrible competition where nobody plays defense. that's why it was a smart decision for them to play there. because you are right that college exposes guys a lot more often than it elevates them. either don't play at all or go play somewhere where nobody cares to defend and the coaches don't care.
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I wouldn't say "expose". It just puts them in a style that is nothing like the NBA a lot of the time so it makes them look worse. If you put any of the non-top tier college teams on a OTE court it would probably look similar. There's some very highly ranked HS players outside of the twins playing in OTE, it's not a bum league as far as talent goes.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Again, I'm sorry you don't have eyes. Future pros play in college against plenty of terrible competition. The style of play is just different so it doesn't look as uneven.

I wouldn't say "expose". It just puts them in a style that is nothing like the NBA a lot of the time so it makes them look worse. If you put any of the non-top tier college teams on a OTE court it would probably look similar. There's some very highly ranked HS players outside of the twins playing in OTE, it's not a bum league as far as talent goes.
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i would agree with your point about them not being exposed as much as them being put into a style of play that doesn't always display their talents. regarding OTE, yeah, the talent is fine, but as i mentioned, it's very lax style where defense is brushed aside - it's easy to shine.
 
I just see the college game as so muddy and so much different than the NBA. Dudes deciding to go somewhere that they can focus 100% on basketball may not be a bad thing even if the competition isn't great.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I just see the college game as so muddy and so much different than the NBA. Dudes deciding to go somewhere that they can focus 100% on basketball may not be a bad thing even if the competition isn't great.
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i'd argue, not only is it not a bad thing, but especially for them, it's a good thing. as cy mentioned, if you're in that range as a top 5 prospect, playing college ball is much more likely to hurt you than help you. the thompson twins, shaedon sharpe, dante exum, those guys did it right. now, selfishly as a college basketball fan, it effing sucks when they decide to go g league, not play at all or go ote, but for them it's a wise choice, imo.
 
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