There are 2 ends of the court. He is also probably our best perimeter defender and he has shown plenty of flashes on the offensive end as well.
Beverley to Lakers for THT and Stanley Johnson
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The Jazz Wonderbra
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He attacks the rim with ferocity. He uses his body well. He sucks at shooting. It looks like he is starting to make better decisions with the ball but he has been turnover prone since the start of the season.
There is plenty to like about him and plenty to not like. But he does need minutes to improve and NAW snatched them right up.
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THT is definitely a frustrating player, he can tease you with his ability and flashes of impact plays and then show turn it over and take bad shots moments later.
To me when he had a few game stretch of looking like a decent rotational player it was because he was focused on defense first and then letting the offense come to him. Which IMO is the key to him sticking in the rotation be a defensive minded player first and then whatever comes your way on offense so be it but not to expect or force things on offense.
To me when he had a few game stretch of looking like a decent rotational player it was because he was focused on defense first and then letting the offense come to him. Which IMO is the key to him sticking in the rotation be a defensive minded player first and then whatever comes your way on offense so be it but not to expect or force things on offense.
I don’t really see the upside with him. He’s still young but he kind of is who he is at this point. On a team where a lot of players have improved he has not.
This is very true problem is he makes one three and proceeds to take 5 more and miss them all.
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For me one rotation that is hard to watch is when THT is in with Vando, it is just too much of none shooting without also being primary/good decision makers, they are both a bit to wild or inconsistent with their decision making and Vando can end up being way to passive and cause him to have no impact in the game on the defensive end and rebounding.
HeatCheck
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I think NAW has similar potential as a POA defender.
NAW can shoot the ball a little bit too. Obviously THT is the better facilitator but it all gets negated when he decides to take a ridiculous step back 3 with 18 seconds left on the shot clock. He needs to make better decisions when to drive to the basketball too. I think he's ok as a project but it's also fine if Hardy sits him after a bad game. Hardy has also sat Kessler this season. He also took minutes from Sexton too. It's all part of player development with these young kids who have gotten none to little actual NBA coaching.
Worst case scenario he's an $11 mil expiring contract beginning next summer (he's obviously going to pick up that player option). He never deserved that 2nd contract from the Lakers to begin with. They stupidly only signed him for 2 years as a 2nd round rookie so didn't have Bird rights. They basically had to choose to keep either him or Caruso and chose wrong. THT being a Klutch client on a Lebron team obviously helped him too.
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This trade was bad when it happened and it looks bad now. Beverley isn’t anything special but the problem is THT is going to opt-in to his player option and we’re stuck with him for another year. Hopefully we can use his salary in a trade. That might be the only silver lining.
Utah wants that. They need his expiring salary for trade options
I think we would rather have the salary cap space.
I dont
The question is more what would the receiving team rather have, sending out whoever we acquire while taking nothing/little salary back or taking back $11M of THT?
If Utah didn't want THT and his salary, they wouldn't have traded for him. I don't think they secretly thought he was good. I'm sure they knew the odds where that he was overall bad. They want that mid priced contract. Same reason they got KO
HermanG
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It was old bad player for a young bad player. THT deal is not long/expensive so its a perfect salary filler where we dont lose anyone we will miss and the team that takes him doesnt commit to anyone they dont want long term, and we can still match numbers.
We dont have any other tradable salaries besides him and KO really.... unless we want to give up on Sexton.
THT criticism is unfair. I understand he is a frustrating player but he is literally the second youngest player on our main roster and he has flashed lots of different parts of his game that is worth persisting with. If he improves his shooting and the game slows down for him then he could easily be valuable player for any team with his defence, ability to play make and size for his position. There are a lot worse players out there who aren't worth developing.
Tremendous Upside
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There's nothing that makes the alarm bells go off in my head more than the phrase "if he just improves his shooting".
It's the toughest thing to improve in the NBA and very rarely happens in a way that really makes a difference. It's better to just try to get guys who already can shoot.
If you think shooting is the toughest thing to improve you have no idea what you are talking about