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Ja Morant is 6'2" and 170 lbs. He's probably longer than Dillingham, and he's a vertical athlete, but if you really think the talent level is there then the size doesn't mean quite that much.

That said, I could see the Jazz being reluctant to take Dilly, due to wanting more length and versatility.
 
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I think this should be our guy. All he needs to do is tighten his handle, add strength and rep out his shot off a few actions to have a real impact. Those are things that NBA players work on all day everyday. Nearly everything Cody shows in these highlights should translate to the NBA. I have him and Topic as the two best prospects, and I'm not sure the Jazz will want someone to be as ball dominant as Topic. I like Sarr too, but he's not going to slip out of the top 3 picks.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfUdw-EzS9E
 
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Ferguson_Mellochill said:
I think this should be our guy. All he needs to do is tighten his handle, add strength and rep out his shot off a few actions to have a real impact. Those are things that NBA players work on all day everyday. Nearly everything Cody shows in these highlights should translate to the NBA. I have him and Topic as the two best prospects, and I'm not sure the Jazz will want someone to be as ball dominant as Topic. I like Sarr too, but he's not going to slip out of the top 3 picks.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfUdw-EzS9E
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Just can't imagine him being on the board at 8/9.
 
Cody Williams is a ways off from being an NBA player. He played with no passion at Colorado and was the fourth option on that team. He will be a g leager for most of next year.
 
Ferguson_Mellochill said:
Ja Morant is 6'2" and 170 lbs. He's probably longer than Dillingham, and he's a vertical athlete, but if you really think the talent level is there then the size doesn't mean quite that much.

That said, I could see the Jazz being reluctant to take Dilly, due to wanting more length and versatility.
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Morant is more than a vertical athlete. He's an all around athletic monster.
 
sojodave said:
Cody Williams is a ways off from being an NBA player. He played with no passion at Colorado and was the fourth option on that team. He will be a g leager for most of next year.
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He did play weakz but the talent is there and supposedly there. Got to decide if the underwhelming numbers were due to the injury. Also got to realize these guys lost a big developmental year when they were 15 to COVID.
 
I'm skeptical of Cody because the REBS/AST/STOCKS are so low...but I get what people see in him. His ability to get to the basket, finish, and get to the FT line is pretty dang good.
 
Some people here are simultaneously wanting to trade Lauri away and get some of these small guards. Who the hell are all those guys passing the ball to or playing a 2-man game with to develop those two critical aspects of their game? Go try and develop your passing game in your pickup runs when you got no one to pass to who can catch the pass or finish the plays. See how that goes.

Also those who are slobbering hard for Dilly, tell me your vision on how he would look like playing against the Wolves or the Nuggets? Or trying to drive to the paint with Wemby or Chet in there? Thats the future of the western conference they will be playing in.

Besides, undersized guards are the one thing you can still get from the FA market (see FVV and Brunson) or cheaply through trades (see Tre Mann and Bones Hyland). The whole argument that we can only find good players through draft doesnt apply to that archtype.
 
HermanG said:
Some people here are simultaneously wanting to trade Lauri away and get some of these small guards. Who the hell are all those guys passing the ball to or playing a 2-man game with to develop those two critical aspects of their game? Go try and develop your passing game in your pickup runs when you got no one to pass to who can catch the pass or finish the plays. See how that goes.

Also those who are slobbering hard for Dilly, tell me your vision on how he would look like playing against the Wolves or the Nuggets? Or trying to drive to the paint with Wemby or Chet in there? Thats the future of the western conference they will be playing in.

Besides, undersized guards are the one thing you can still get from the FA market (see FVV and Brunson) or cheaply through trades (see Tre Mann and Bones Hyland). The whole argument that we can only find good players through draft doesnt apply to that archtype.
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I don't think anyone is slobbering hard for Dilly, they are just trying to argue against my point because they want to ignore the reality that size is very important
 
HermanG said:
Some people here are simultaneously wanting to trade Lauri away and get some of these small guards. Who the hell are all those guys passing the ball to or playing a 2-man game with to develop those two critical aspects of their game? Go try and develop your passing game in your pickup runs when you got no one to pass to who can catch the pass or finish the plays. See how that goes.

Also those who are slobbering hard for Dilly, tell me your vision on how he would look like playing against the Wolves or the Nuggets? Or trying to drive to the paint with Wemby or Chet in there? Thats the future of the western conference they will be playing in.

Besides, undersized guards are the one thing you can still get from the FA market (see FVV and Brunson) or cheaply through trades (see Tre Mann and Bones Hyland). The whole argument that we can only find good players through draft doesnt apply to that archtype.
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Not slobbering for the guy but let’s say he’s roughly as effective as Maxey in the pros. We giving DA a pass for not taking him at 8 to select Cody Williams if Cody turns out to be Tony Snell?

We can’t just go get Brunson or FVV. Mann and Hyland suck. I get what you are trying to say here… small guards are somewhat abundant. So are wings with a good frame that aren’t good at basketball. So while I’d rather take Castle or a guy with that kind of build that I think can play… the FO has to determine they in fact can play. Rob has demonstrated he can be an offensive force. It may not all translate but we can’t take him and Reed off our board because of physical stature. The kings took Tyrese Evans over Steph Curry because Tyrese overwhelmed him in a one on one workout. You don’t want to overlook tremendous talent based on one factor. That’s all.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Not slobbering for the guy but let’s say he’s roughly as effective as Maxey in the pros. We giving DA a pass for not taking him at 8 to select Cody Williams if Cody turns out to be Tony Snell?

We can’t just go get Brunson or FVV. Mann and Hyland suck. I get what you are trying to say here… small guards are somewhat abundant. So are wings with a good frame that aren’t good at basketball. So while I’d rather take Castle or a guy with that kind of build that I think can play… the FO has to determine they in fact can play. Rob has demonstrated he can be an offensive force. It may not all translate but we can’t take him and Reed off our board because of physical stature. The kings took Tyrese Evans over Steph Curry because Tyrese overwhelmed him in a one on one workout. You don’t want to overlook tremendous talent based on one factor. That’s all.
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You cant maximize one hypothetical and minimize the other by making one Maxey and the other Snell. KOC says Dilly comps to Bones Hyland & Lou Williams, and Cody is Jalen Rose. However much you hate or like KOCs comps, but that isnt anywhere close to Maxey vs Snell. Personally, give me Jalen Rose all day since we dont have a guy like him on the roster and we have plenty of slashing small guards.

But my main point was that you gotta worry about how you develop the guys you draft. Getting minutes is a start (which Dilly would struggle with vs Sexton and Key), but having pieces around you that enable to you play the right way during those minutes is even more important. Stacking a bunch of small guards who have no synergy amongs them on either end is not gonna end well. They will get slaughtered on defense and all they learn to do offensively is likely gonna be stuff like slashing and shooting off the dribble.

"Put your players in a position to succeed, if you want them to become successful."
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Not slobbering for the guy but let’s say he’s roughly as effective as Maxey in the pros. We giving DA a pass for not taking him at 8 to select Cody Williams if Cody turns out to be Tony Snell?

We can’t just go get Brunson or FVV. Mann and Hyland suck. I get what you are trying to say here… small guards are somewhat abundant. So are wings with a good frame that aren’t good at basketball. So while I’d rather take Castle or a guy with that kind of build that I think can play… the FO has to determine they in fact can play. Rob has demonstrated he can be an offensive force. It may not all translate but we can’t take him and Reed off our board because of physical stature. The kings took Tyrese Evans over Steph Curry because Tyrese overwhelmed him in a one on one workout. You don’t want to overlook tremendous talent based on one factor. That’s all.
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Yeah then the Kings drafted Jimmer over Kawhi, Burks, and Thompson because they thought he was super skilled. Should have gone size there. You can do these cherry picked examples for both sides of the size vs skill argument
 
sip said:
No he won't. He has the game to contribute immediately.
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You really think that? You've seen how hard it is for these COVID kids from the last class, which was more talented ,to come in right away and compete. He is in no ****ing way a contributor to winning on Day 1.
 
HermanG said:
You cant maximize one hypothetical and minimize the other by making one Maxey and the other Snell. KOC says Dilly comps to Bones Hyland & Lou Williams, and Cody is Jalen Rose. However much you hate or like KOCs comps, but that isnt anywhere close to Maxey vs Snell. Personally, give me Jalen Rose all day since we dont have a guy like him on the roster and we have plenty of slashing small guards.

But my main point was that you gotta worry about how you develop the guys you draft. Getting minutes is a start (which Dilly would struggle with vs Sexton and Key), but having pieces around you that enable to you play the right way during those minutes is even more important. Stacking a bunch of small guards who have no synergy amongs them on either end is not gonna end well. They will get slaughtered on defense and all they learn to do offensively is likely gonna be stuff like slashing and shooting off the dribble.

"Put your players in a position to succeed, if you want them to become successful."
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I'm saying you gotta find out which is which. KOC comps are wild. I put almost zero stock in them personally. If the evaluation starts and ends with size you will miss opportunities. All I am saying here. If we had Donovan and passed on Maxey solely because of size well that would be a mistake.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
That's kind of HH's schtick when it comes to the draft
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lol I don't have a schtick. All I am saying is you gotta find out which is which lol. Continue on with whatever it is you think I am saying. The point was not the actual example... its finding out who can play. At #8 if our choices are Reed, Rob or Cody the deciding factor shouldn't be physical profile. It should be who you think is the best player. If you view them as equal or close enough to equal then let size dictate where you go. Rob is far from an ideal fit but if you look at his per minute production in volume and efficiency I think you have a valid case that he is an outlier small guard that can play. Reed too. If the draft was today I still take Castle over them but I would understand going the other way.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
You really think that? You've seen how hard it is for these COVID kids from the last class, which was more talented ,to come in right away and compete. He is in no ****ing way a contributor to winning on Day 1.
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Yeah I think that. Some of you are so obsessed with how he played after being injured that you just completely ignore how solid he was pre injury. He has the perfect role player game right now and will get consistent minutes early.
 
sip said:
Yeah I think that. Some of you are so obsessed with how he played after being injured that you just completely ignore how solid he was pre injury. He has the perfect role player game right now and will get consistent minutes early.
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And you are completely ignoring historical context that rookies dont contribute to winning, especially ones that are kind of mediocre as players currently. That's not a statement on his future potential, but you are being delusional (per usual) about how fast rookies can contribute.

But Im sure when it doesnt happen you will blame whoever the coach is.
 
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