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Should we go full rebuild?

Should we go full rebuild?

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Handlogten's Heros said:
It doesn't... it could be Lauri/SGA and a portfolio of picks or other flexible assets... but you need to be able to still have a good chance at a top4 pick imo. OKC threaded the needle for a couple years and paid it off when they got Chet. I think we could very well be in the bottom 5-6 teams next year without moving Lauri. If you moved Sexton and really leaned into Lisan al Gaib I think the losses would pile up. I think it might piss off Lauri to have another garbage year and its a shame these great years are pretty much wasted for him.
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If Ainge and Zanik have a feeling they have wasted already 2 good years from Lauri being mediocre group of individuals who cannot advance to play in games
and even tank right-way then they should pull the trigger and blow whole current roster and keep only Sensabaugh, Hendricks, George and Kessler and some older players like Clarkson.

Ainge is not a stupid he knows damn well Lauri is UFA next year and if uncle Danny wants to get something back without losing LM23 for free
he needs to answer on the phone call and start negotiate for a trade of Lauri Markkanen during the draft night or next trade deadline.
 
Jiipee84 said:
If Ainge and Zanik have a feeling they have wasted already 2 good years from Lauri being mediocre group of individuals who cannot advance to play in games
and even tank right-way then they should pull the trigger and blow whole current roster and keep only Sensabaugh, Hendricks, George and Kessler and some older players like Clarkson.

Ainge is not a stupid he knows damn well Lauri is UFA next year and if uncle Danny wants to get something back without losing LM23 for free
he needs to answer on the phone call and start negotiate for a trade of Lauri Markkanen during the draft night or next trade deadline.
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We can extend him this offseason so I’m not scared of the FA aspect. Just think you have to think about it if we can’t add to this group in the medium term. I still am asking for the whole brinks truck if we move him but I could see someone saying yes.
 
Went down a rabbit hole with a thought today. Will expand on this at some point. If we wanted to move Lauri this offseason the following teams could provide packages I would look at:

- Rockets
- Warriors
- Kings
- Thunder
- Grizz
- Spurs

All those teams play in the same conference. I think you could get them bidding against each other and get someone to do something dumb/short-sighted.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Went down a rabbit hole with a thought today. Will expand on this at some point. If we wanted to move Lauri this offseason the following teams could provide packages I would look at:

- Rockets
- Warriors
- Kings
- Thunder
- Grizz
- Spurs

All those teams play in the same conference. I think you could get them bidding against each other and get someone to do something dumb/short-sighted.
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The nets would likely be the top candidate and they have the most enticing package with those future suns picks. They also have the ability to renegotiate and extend if we take back Simmons expiring contract.
 
sip said:
The nets would likely be the top candidate and they have the most enticing package with those future suns picks. They also have the ability to renegotiate and extend if we take back Simmons expiring contract.
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I would put them on the list except I think they are the Donny destination. So their draft capital will go towards that. If it doesn't I could see a move like Lauri or I could see them blowing it up. I think they should be included though.

Brooklyn may be hiring Johnn Bryant I saw some rumors on twitter. Cavs flame out I think Donny tells them no on an extension... Donny reunites with Johnny in NY with the Nets.
 
Sacramento is a team to watch. They have hit some snags. They owe a pick to the Hawks but we can work around it a few ways with swaps and conditions. If that pick conveys to Atlanta then they have a clean ledger... If Kings want to give you 3 picks and 2 swaps (in the odd years with the wolves/cavs picks included) it is hard to turn that down... even though we have infinity picks. What if they went higher?
 
Yes. I don't believe Jazz will land a superstar in trade with the current roster construction, nor have will to improve it so much it's even tried earlier than 2026. I see tanking ahead, so sell Lauri for the tank. He will be turning 30 years in three years, and most likely won't have any playoff experience at that point with Jazz not any team before it. He would then expected as a veteran to lead 20-25 years old roster. Holding onto him now is lowering Jazz changes to get the best changes for top picks and dragging him on with losing ball for seasons aint either gonba build his game like the team would need, nor would be good for him
 
Depends on what we have with our current young players. Do Key/Taylor/Brice/Collier/Cody/Filip look like they can achieve something and ready to break out? Or do they look like they are three years away from three years away or struggle to even contribute at the replacement level? If its the latter, we should do a full rebuild until we find the real pieces moving forward. Otherwise, we should keep Lauri and do a moderate retool as our young core rising to stardom.
 
KqWIN said:
I’ve always believed that having the star players is more of a power position than having whatever picks/assets you get for trading him. We should keep Lauri, having Lauri on our team is a privilege.

Having said that, I also don’t believe in wasting a player’s prime nor do I believe with trying to compete for a half a year only to quit and tank for the other half. By doing this, the Jazz have essentially limited the rewards for trying to win or lose. The goal for winning is the play in. The goal for tanking is to get the 9th pick. Not a ton of reward either way.

They may have squeezed out some extra value by waiting (or they may have lost some), but that comes at a cost of pissing off Lauri after lying to him. If the Jazz want to do Lauri+young players, I think that is fine. If that’s what the FO wants, do it. But actually do it. Don’t play half a season and then quit. Do not go after John Collins if your plan was to not compete. What they’re doing does not install a lot of confidence in me. Either #1, they totally went against their plan of Lauri+youngins and delayed their tank or #2 they actually thought they had a winner and now they’ve pivoted to tanking bc winning didn’t work. Either they had a plan all along but executed poorly or they had a bad plan, it didn’t work, then they switched it.

My first choice would be to move forward with Lauri and build around him. My second choice would be to move him and start over. My least favorite choice is to keep Lauri, but basically operate as if he’s not there and repeatedly wave the middle finger at him.
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Interesting to look back at this…I feel like if the plan is to move forward and build around Lauri, they are doing a pretty bad job….basically done nothing.

With all the opportunities passing by, the best option is to rebuild. Lauri+tank is still somewhat a viable option, but they’d need to make a Sexton trade.

And of course, it depends on what the offers on the table actually are.
 
KqWIN said:
Interesting to look back at this…I feel like if the plan is to move forward and build around Lauri, they are doing a pretty bad job….basically done nothing.

With all the opportunities passing by, the best option is to rebuild. Lauri+tank is still somewhat a viable option, but they’d need to make a Sexton trade.

And of course, it depends on what the offers on the table actually are.
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The good news now is that even if we keep Lauri I still think we are a bottom 2 team in the west. Most likely last in the west because I do like what the blazers did on draft night.
 
you have to understand my fandom. i really latch on to players who we either pick ourselves and develop or players that come here voluntarily. since very few players come here on their own, i lean heavily on draft picks. when we trade a ton of assets for a pre-made star, it is hard for me to bond to them, i don't have all the history of watching them grow. add to that the fact that i think losing on purpose is cheating, i accept that it is going to be hard to get a superstar player with anything more than luck. even with that, i would rather go with who we have and enjoy the ride than tank for picks,
 
hgb said:
I say we keep and extend Lauri and trade JC² for Zach Lavine and a pick and go for it.
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That's hardly a contender, but could be a pretty good regular season team, which might get all the young guys a run of some playoff ball to get them going.
 
The Jazz should have went full-on rebuild from the get go but instead they’ve half assed it for 2 straight seasons and it’s costing them. I wasn’t psyched about bringing Ainge in but after the Rudy&Don hauls I started to come around. Now, I’m back to thinking he was a bad idea and it’s certainly starting to look like he’s botching the rebuild.

I ****ing love Lauri and all of the trade speculation is killing me but Ainge has played us into a corner in which a Tank+Lauri season makes zero sense for the team or the player and there just doesn’t appear to be the seismic move available that would be necessary to load up around Lauri and start trudging up the Western Conference mountain.

At this point, the only realistic play that makes sense for the Jazz long term is to turn Lauri into as many future assets as possible, commit to featuring our EXTREMELY young roster, and hope for the first time ever that the ping pong balls bounce Utah’s way and Cooper Flagg bails out Ainge and Ryan Smith for the countless missteps they’ve made since getting a king’s ransom for their 2 stars.

What’s scary about that move is that even though it’s probably the right way to go, it could still blow up in their faces and how much longer do we go through this before fans start losing interest? I can honestly say that I’m already at my most apathetic towards the Jazz in 40 years of fandom.

Aside from rolling the dice and hitting on Flagg, I worry that the only way this rebuild ends up successful at this point is if 1 or 2 of the players selected from these past 2 drafts shocks the world and turns out to be the next Giannis or Jokic. That’s a pretty depressing thought considering the start this rebuild got off to.
 
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