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2024-2025 Tank Race

All people worrying about the tank should relax: the only reason why the Jazz (barely) won this home game was the Mavs missing Kyrie and PJ Washington and Luka being hobbled. They still showed no signs of being capable to win when the opponents are not decimated by injuries.
 
Jazz have their own 2RP pick this year, I think. Hence, we could have the following picks: Top 6, ~17, ~28, ~32. Not sure if we'd be able to package our three later picks to move up to the late lottery. I'd be surprised if the Jazz want 4 rookies next year.
 
Timberwolves in OT with the kings after being up 16 going into the fourth


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I can't see the 76ers being this bad for the entire season. It's so weird they're 2-10. Yes - Maxey is injured (they still sucked when he played) but he'll be back soon. Oubre, Embiid and George are too good for them to be this bad and I expect them to be better.

All we need to do is finish with the 3rd worst record and I'm fairly confident we will.
 
Ferguson_Mellochill said:
Jazz have their own 2RP pick this year, I think. Hence, we could have the following picks: Top 6, ~17, ~28, ~32. Not sure if we'd be able to package our three later picks to move up to the late lottery. I'd be surprised if the Jazz want 4 rookies next year.
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I somehow missed this when you posted it but Minny owns our 2RP this year. Went there as part of that Conley deal...
 
HermanG said:
I somehow missed this when you posted it but Minny owns our 2RP this year. Went there as part of that Conley deal...
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The greatest mistake in the Jazz’s fumbling the ball at the 1 yard line in ‘22-‘23 is not the Conley trade that DID happen (I probably make that move in the situation that existed at the time), it was not sending Bojan, Vanderbilt, Beasley, and Beverly (+ maybe Clarkson) before the season to the Lakers for Russ (+ maybe THT) and a pick. I seem to recall @Tony Jones reporting that the Jazz walked on that framework.

But the Conley trade was pretty unsavory. Especially since that pick (Hendricks) is looking like booty right now and they might’ve done just as well if not better if they didn’t cut their own legs off just to get the 9th pick (the lesson here being that if you’re gonna tank, TANK; don’t get cute about it).
 
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NUMBERICA said:
The greatest mistake in the Jazz’s fumbling the ball at the 1 yard line in ‘22-‘23 is not the Conley trade that DID happen (I probably make that move in the situation that existed at the time), it was not sending Bojan, Vanderbilt, Beasley, Beverly, and (+ maybe Clarkson) before the season to the Lakers for Russ (+ maybe THT) and a pick. I seem to recall @Tony Jones reporting that the Jazz walked on that framework.

But the Conley trade was pretty unsavory. Especially since that pick (Hendricks) is looking like booty right now and they might’ve done just as well if not better if they didn’t cut their own legs off just to get the 9th pick (the lesson here being that if you’re gonna tank, TANK; don’t get cute about it).
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There was a lot that went into that season... once we started hot the options were limited. Hot start and hosting the AS game meant pulling the plug was kind of hard.

The mistake was not doing the math many of us did here that said "this is a 35 win team right now" and prioritizing getting more value out of vets than extracting the value from your own pick. At the end of the day tho... we are fine I think and maybe we still get lucky this year or next.

I agree with your post obvi... just adding 2 cents.
 
I've become somewhat forgiving of the "half tank" because pretty much every "tanking" team is making the same "mistake". Truth is, it's probably less of a mistake than it is reality. You can't just trade guys whenever you want even if they're good, valuable players. The idea of snapping your fingers and turning players into assets is a falsehood. If it was so easy, we'd see teams like POR and BKN already gutting their roster. Like you're really going to tell me BKN doesn't know they should tank or want to? Of course they do. BKN isn't trying to get cute with things, it's just the reality of their situation. I think it was poor work by DA to take two whole seasons to get here (and that was likely a result of him being too much of a stickler), but it doesn't happen as easily as people make it out to be. You could make the argument that the Jazz would have been better off simply giving everyone away for free, but that's not going to happen in a real world situation.

When you're in a position with a bunch of vets leftover from a previous version of the team, the expectation should not be that you can turn them into picks quickly and tank perfectly. The expectation should be that you'd be lucky to get anything for them immediately and more realistically you will have to wait and get very little to nothing. It's a mistake to think that these trades can happen at any time and also a mistake to think that you're going to get anything good. I remember when we were talking about 2 unprotected first round picks in the Lakers deal. We didn't even get half of that lol. We have this idea that tanking is so simplistic and effective, but real life doesn't work like it does in a video game.

IMO you can't be both unhappy with the return on our vets through trade and unhappy with the lack of tanking. This magical world were we get good value for them and get to tank does not exist. Complete fantasy.
 
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