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bigmike said:
This is some serious 4D chess we’re playing here.

Dangerous game to try and predict the future 6 years out.
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We got the less risky part of the deal tho. Say 27 and 29 both end up being like the 15th pick... Means both Utah and Minny or Cavs picks are in the lotto. We limited our downside.
framer said:
Would you rather have the 27 Clipper pick, the 27 Laker pick, the 28 Bucks pick, or the 31 Suns pick unprotected?
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Honestly... the Bucks pick.
 
bigmike said:
This is some serious 4D chess we’re playing here.

Dangerous game to try and predict the future 6 years out.
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Jazz already have enough young, rotational-level players to lose interest in the Cavs' picks in 25 and 27. Jazz also can't roster 8 players over the next 3 drafts anyway. The real unknown is the pick the Jazz will convey in '29. The fact that we're giving away the least valuable pick in these drafts means there isn't much downside here, while the PHX pick has considerable upside.

If I'm the Jazz, I'm confident that Collier, Sensabaugh and Filipowski are all top-10 rotation players on a good team. The future of the Jazz now depends upon drafting well in '25 and '26.
 
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bigmike said:
Maybe this is a precursor for us to take back Beal + his awful contract and all of these picks back
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Nah. Beal headed to the Bucks supposedly. I'd say its likely close to a done deal but likely looping in a few other teams. This was the first domino tho for sure.
 
If OKC had done something like this, we would all be wondering why Ainge didn't think of it.

Somewhere in the interwebs a bunch of OKC Yolkels are sitting under a shrine of Chet Holmgrens moustache twanging their jews harps and whining in disgust about Presti.
 
MT Steve said:
I think it lets them now trade the worse of the Suns/Wizards picks.
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Right. After thinking through this I really don’t know how opening up that flexibility actually helps them so whatever (they can’t trade ‘30 in any scenario, so they either have ‘26 and ‘28 OR ‘25, ‘27, and ‘29 [basically]).
 
2031 is a long way away, but the odds are pretty low imho that the cavs picks end up lower than 26 for at least 2 of the 3 picks we traded.

At the very least, the perceived value is excellent. That means the pick holds HIGH value for at least 3 of the next 6 years.
 
The only bummer about this is that we now know for a fact that we won't be the accommodating team in any Butler, Beal, Middleton swaps. We probably aren't taking the picks we just traded back in compensation. . .Takes a little of the drama away.
 
MT Steve said:
One underrated benefit to this trade is people can now cheer for the Cavs in this year's playoffs without anybody here throwing a hissy fit and calling them traitors.
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I mean I would like to see a bit of effort to come in below the Timberwolves if they want to give it a try. . .
 
Also the Suns are in purgatory. They put their cards on the table, everyone can see them, and they still think the bluff is going to work

They have dug a very deep hole. The only way out is trading Devin Booker. And even then, they will have to eat Durant and now likely Butler money through the end of the 2028 season.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
We got the less risky part of the deal tho. Say 27 and 29 both end up being like the 15th pick... Means both Utah and Minny or Cavs picks are in the lotto. We limited our downside.

Honestly... the Bucks pipick.
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Yep. That bucks pick could be great.
 
NUMBERICA said:
Right. After thinking through this I really don’t know how opening up that flexibility actually helps them so whatever (they can’t trade ‘30 in any scenario, so they either have ‘26 and ‘28 OR ‘25, ‘27, and ‘29 [basically]).
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Honestly, they are going to be drafting 5 year seniors with those picks to fill out the bench. It wouldn't surprise me to see them turn those late 1sts into multiple early 2nds if they can. They are going to prioritize experience over potential.
 
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nateboz said:
Jazz could very well end up with the 6 pick this year. They could've traded that plus these 3 picks for an actual star or trade up. Instead they got a pick 6 years from now. It's impossible to say if that's a good trade. It's just moving assets. We'll see.
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The PHX pick will have more market value in a trade than those 3 picks bundled together, and one of them has to be used this year, with a roster already half composed of rookie contracts. Unless you’re heavily invested in the record of the SLC Stars, this is a non-issue.
 
The Jazz Wonderbra said:
If OKC had done something like this, we would all be wondering why Ainge didn't think of it.

Somewhere in the interwebs a bunch of OKC Yolkels are sitting under a shrine of Chet Holmgrens moustache twanging their jews harps and whining in disgust about Presti.
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This deserves a nomination for JazzFanz post of the year.
 
MT Steve said:
One underrated benefit to this trade is people can now cheer for the Cavs in this year's playoffs without anybody here throwing a hissy fit and calling them traitors.
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Playoffs have nothing to do with draft picks. Anybody could have cheered for the Cavs since their playoff fate has nothing to do with draft order.
 
framer said:
The only bummer about this is that we now know for a fact that we won't be the accommodating team in any Butler, Beal, Middleton swaps. We probably aren't taking the picks we just traded back in compensation. . .Takes a little of the drama away.
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Maybe we are still looking for a 1st in 26 as an insurance, and then picks/swaps farther out in the future when we are decent. We still have several vets to trade.
 
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