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crazy that he has spent the heart of his prime age 25-28 where he has been absolutely elite on a ****** team with no direction. seems like that would be incredibly depressing.

From the outside looking in, it never made much sense for Lauri to be on a tanking team. It's why the national media heads have consistently been talking about a Lauri trade as if it's the default plan. Great players in their prime do not mix with tanking, and the only reasonable outcomes are 1) you are able to tank, but it requires a bad season from your star or 2) the star plays like a star, but it kills the tank.

The ship has sailed on a Lauri trade.
 
From the outside looking in, it never made much sense for Lauri to be on a tanking team. It's why the national media heads have consistently been talking about a Lauri trade as if it's the default plan. Great players in their prime do not mix with tanking, and the only reasonable outcomes are 1) you are able to tank, but it requires a bad season from your star or 2) the star plays like a star, but it kills the tank.

The ship has sailed on a Lauri trade.
The first half of your post brings me to the opposite conclusion.

Lauri playing well doesn't mean the ship has sailed. The ship is just arriving to port.
 
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At least now we can stop hearing the morons who think Lauri is just worth a first or two and some throwaway players. If you averaging 31 you getting traded for bare minimum 4 picks.
I have been saying his value is so much higher than most of the board. It has been annoying to get so much push back that he is a negative contract and that we would be lucky to get 2 firsts for him. Go back and listen to the trade series podcast about trading Lauri. Pretty poor trade values proposed and agreed to there. Luv the podcast but value is too fickle on this board.
 
Why do we even need to tank? I thought we had this huge treasure trove of assets that the entire league was jealous of. I was assured they weren't just raffle tickets. How much are two unprotected pick swaps worth in transactions? Can we get an updated appraisal on our outstanding pick swaps? I'm guessing they're worth their weight in gold.

Or do we need to tank to ensure getting something good because we're otherwise holding a bunch of raffle tickets...

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I understand why so many fans are eager to trade Lauri; after all, that 2026 lottery pick is a shiny object that’s hard to look away from. But as my recent post on the Jazz’s lottery odds and the NBA’s tanking landscape showed, we’re nowhere near the point where panic-trading Lauri is necessary to protect that pick. The Jazz have one of the toughest remaining schedules in the league. Losses are coming. And let’s be honest: look at the teams we’ve beaten so far: a lineup of bottom-dwellers and rebuilders. The idea that we’ll maintain this winning trajectory once we face a steady stream of real competition is ... optimistic.

I also can’t shake the sense that a lot of this trade-Lauri enthusiasm stems from the seduction of the unknown. The promise of a future lottery pick is intoxicating, so much so that many fans seem more enamored with the possibility than with reality. What are the actual odds that whoever we draft ends up better than Lauri? Yes, a rookie is cheaper and fits a longer timeline. But matching Lauri’s current and projected production? That’s a tall order.

It reminds me of the modern dating-app phenomenon: people swiping endlessly, unable to appreciate the genuinely good match right in front of them because the algorithm keeps dangling the possibility that someone “even better” is just one more swipe away. It’s the tyranny of infinite choice: just one more swipe or one more roll of the lottery dice and...viola! And it leads people to overlook real value in favor of hypothetical perfection. The Jazz fandom feels a lot like that right now.

And then there’s the big-picture question I keep asking: How long do people actually want to keep losing? Keeping Lauri shortens our path back to relevance, especially if, as my analysis suggests, we are still highly likely to keep our pick. Trading Lauri, by contrast, practically guarantees an additional 2–3 years of lottery purgatory compared to keeping him. And remember: whoever acquires Lauri will be a contender looking to add a final piece, which means the draft picks we’d receive will almost certainly be mid-to-late firsts, the same kind we got from Minnesota and Cleveland. Useful, for decent role players, maybe, but long-shot territory for star-level upside.

So the real question is: Do fans genuinely want to wait another 4–5 years, or longer, before the Jazz are competitive again? Before we get to enjoy meaningful games, a real postseason push, and a team that’s fun because it’s good, not because we’re staring at lottery simulators?

Keeping Lauri gets us there faster. Trading him is swiping left and hoping and hoping and hoping....
 
Personally, I do not have a desire to win on a certain timeline. I do not wish to tank. I don’t wish to move more quickly. I just desire to make the smartest move based on the position we’re in. I don’t care about how long it’s been taking though I 100% acknowledge it’s a thing that matters to others.

I could wax on forever about what is actually the right decision, but I’m finding it pointless because I think the decision to trade or not trade has already been made.

But you must have your head in the sand if you think ownership thinks that way. And that’s exactly how I feel about guys like Lowe and Beck talking about a Lauri trade. I just don’t think they’re informed and are only speculating from the outside. Truthfully, ownership is the only opinion that matters. The ship has sailed on a Lauri trade because ownership wants to win sooner rather than later.
 
Personally, I do not have a desire to win on a certain timeline. I do not wish to tank. I don’t wish to move more quickly. I just desire to make the smartest move based on the position we’re in. I don’t care about how long it’s been taking though I 100% acknowledge it’s a thing that matters to others.

I could wax on forever about what is actually the right decision, but I’m finding it pointless because I think the decision to trade or not trade has already been made.

But you must have your head in the sand if you think ownership thinks that way. And that’s exactly how I feel about guys like Lowe and Beck talking about a Lauri trade. I just don’t think they’re informed and are only speculating from the outside. Truthfully, ownership is the only opinion that matters. The ship has sailed on a Lauri trade because ownership wants to win sooner rather than later.
The thing I think Beck and Lowe also miss is just that Lauri is really happy here. I doubt he would be happy with a trade to Detroit. It seems some think the only way to happiness in life for some of these guys is the NBA playoffs.

I agree though. Ownership and FO also not moving Lauri. If they did now its because another team made an offer they shouldn't have.
 
Ownership (or whoever) has built a team with 8 players 22 and under plus a bunch of filler - who mainly act as salaries for trades / for getting over the floor.

I would say the last thing they've done is decide to win sooner. So far they've done nothing to win sooner.
 
The thing I think Beck and Lowe also miss is just that Lauri is really happy here. I doubt he would be happy with a trade to Detroit. It seems some think the only way to happiness in life for some of these guys is the NBA playoffs.

I agree though. Ownership and FO also not moving Lauri. If they did now its because another team made an offer they shouldn't have.

I think all their opinions are valid if you're just on the outside looking in. Like I said in an earlier post, it never really made a ton of sense to mix Lauri with tanking. The human side of things are much easier to see from where we're sitting. If Lauri was struggling, I could see both Lauri and the FO maybe looking for an exit. But there's just no change Ryan Smith is looking at the way Lauri is playing and wanting tank more.

I think the more interesting Lauri questions are about how to build around him going forward.
 
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