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Jackpotting Around -Tony Jones Edition

Saint Cy of JFC said:
I still think the Udoka pick wasnt that bad on paper. The dude was a monster his last year at Kansas and he fit the system perfectly. He was absolutely massive and had a 40'' vertical (minus a few inches because he probably cheated the standing reach) It just seemed like he didnt really like basketball at all. No idea how much of that came through in the interview process. Did they just ignore it and draft him on his advanced stats/crazy tools?
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He was a great fit for the system if you were building your scheme around Rudy's strengths and weaknesses. He was a legit back up option that didnt kill us without changing schemes. If it had panned out, that had more value than drafting a starter in some other positions. It obviously didnt work but I never had a problem with the logic behind it. I know I was in the very small minority.
 
gomretat said:
Lindsey did some great things and everyone that paints for long enough has stinkers.
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Sorry!! I liked a lot of what Lindsey did but selecting Udoka over Desmond Bane had to be one of the worst misses. Udoka may have had a monster final year in college but Bane had a solid 4 years. He shot 38% from 3 his freshman year. He followed that up with 46%, 42% & 44%. He was also a good size for a guard which the Jazz needed at the time.
 
Thee Jazz Fan said:
Wait, so you’re saying because he hit on Rudy and Don, that’s why he drafted that doofus over McDaniels and Bane?
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Why else draft a back up center when you have McDaniels and Bane right there, with the scouting department and Quin begging you to take them, on a team light on wing depth / size / defense?

He must have felt very strongly about Udoka.
 
rippimpc said:
Why else draft a back up center when you have McDaniels and Bane right there, with the scouting department and Quin begging you to take them, on a team light on wing depth / size / defense?

He must have felt very strongly about Udoka.
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McDaniels had a pretty bad freshman season and iirc had some character red flags that made him drop

Bane was a senior with very short arms.

The last game Bane and Udoka played Udoka had 34-15-5
 
Eh….the Udoka pick was just like Lyles over Booker. Burks over Kawhi. Draft is hindsight 20/20….but yeah it’s incredible how many good players were in the range.

For me, it’s more frustrating because of the poor team planning aspect. The Jazz were obsessed with getting a PG to play next to Don and getting a backup C for Rudy. Doke was just a small episode of that. Terrible, terrible team building around those two. We failed them.
 
KqWIN said:
Eh….the Udoka pick was just like Lyles over Booker. Burks over Kawhi. Draft is hindsight 20/20….but yeah it’s incredible how many good players were in the range.

For me, it’s more frustrating because of the poor team planning aspect. The Jazz were obsessed with getting a PG to play next to Don and getting a backup C for Rudy. Doke was just a small episode of that. Terrible, terrible team building around those two. We failed them.
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Dok had a series of bad injuries. It just didn't work out. He's still playing overseas.
 
KqWIN said:
Eh….the Udoka pick was just like Lyles over Booker. Burks over Kawhi. Draft is hindsight 20/20….but yeah it’s incredible how many good players were in the range.

For me, it’s more frustrating because of the poor team planning aspect. The Jazz were obsessed with getting a PG to play next to Don and getting a backup C for Rudy. Doke was just a small episode of that. Terrible, terrible team building around those two. We failed them.
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It does seem like Utah was set on getting a certain kind of player instead of being open to truly evaluating BPA.
 
Losing Interest said:
Sorry!! I liked a lot of what Lindsey did but selecting Udoka over Desmond Bane had to be one of the worst misses. Udoka may have had a monster final year in college but Bane had a solid 4 years. He shot 38% from 3 his freshman year. He followed that up with 46%, 42% & 44%. He was also a good size for a guard which the Jazz needed at the time.
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There is no GM in the league where you cant find those kind of decisions. You are comparing the pick from one team to the options for 30 other teams. That kind of stuff happens all of the time. Definitely bad in retrospect but lots of other teams passed on Bane without getting a player near as good.
 
LogGrad98 said:
Don't kid yourself, we never had a chance at Wemby. He went where the money...uh...league needed him to go.
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Even if you subscribe to the fixed lottery conspiracy they still could've had a chance at a very good prospect such as Amen or Ausur Thompson. Finishing with the 9th pick in '23 draft was a disaster anyway you slice it. Even Ryan knew it on draft night when he was quoted saying they ended up with the #9 guy on their board.
 
HeatCheck said:
Even if you subscribe to the fixed lottery conspiracy they still could've had a chance at a very good prospect such as Amen or Ausur Thompson. Finishing with the 9th pick in '23 draft was a disaster anyway you slice it. Even Ryan knew it on draft night when he was quoted saying they ended up with the #9 guy on their board.
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Finishing at 14 wasn't a problem for Dallas, as long as the league needs you to win the lottery. Basically in the end it wouldn't matter.
 
HeatCheck said:
Even if you subscribe to the fixed lottery conspiracy they still could've had a chance at a very good prospect such as Amen or Ausur Thompson. Finishing with the 9th pick in '23 draft was a disaster anyway you slice it. Even Ryan knew it on draft night when he was quoted saying they ended up with the #9 guy on their board.
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I'm not really sure what to make of the Thompson Twins. I mean the tools are there. Amen is having a hell of a year but shoots 19% from 3... I guess if everyone else on the floor can shoot that helps. Ausar is shooting 31% but on0.6 attempts per game. it's kinda wild.

Bilal Coulibaly has regressed since his rookie year. I don't understand it. I thought he was gonna be the 2 guard version of Giannis. but his %'s have gotten worse every year and year 3 is the year guys generally pop a bit like what we are seeing with Keyonte if he can sustain.

This is where I probably lose you, but outside Wemby, there is probably 3 guys I am certain I would rather have over Hendricks at this point: Brandon Miller, Amen Thompson and Keyonte George. So if Taylor gets near his ceiling (and I think we have to give him through next season with the leg injury), then you might end up with the 5th best guy in the draft at #9. Taylor is shooting 43% from 3 this year on 2.1 attempts a game. He only takes 4.4 field goal attempts a game in 16 minutes a night. I also think he will be a fine defender in his prime. above average at the least. But look, more likely if healthy he will probably fall in the 8-12 best player in his draft range.

But yeah I mean, I don't disagree with your big picture assessment. Danny got a little greedy with what he wanted but it's nice the 2024 draft was awful. maybe the biggest casualty of Danny's indecision will be if we end up forfeiting the rights to our 2026 pick to OKC because Laurie, who should have been traded years ago, adds another 5-7 or so wins and we fall outside the top 8
 
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