Jackpotting Around -Tony Jones Edition

[Handlogten's Heros]

Woah TJones on Zach Lowe show

Went from our pod to Zach Lowe lol. What a time to be alive.

 

[jom2003]

The only player you could possibly be referring to in the Udoka draft is Nick Richards, and he certainly was not a better prospect than Dok.

There's also Paul Reed who was consistently ranked ahead of Dok in mock drafts. And Nick was at least in the same tier as Dok and has a better career as a NBA backup center.

And you conveniently left Tony Bradley out of the conversation. I wonder why

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

There's also Paul Reed who was consistently ranked ahead of Dok in mock drafts. And Nick was at least in the same tier as Dok and has a better career as a NBA backup center.

And you conveniently left Tony Bradley out of the conversation. I wonder why

Because I havent talked about Tony Bradley the entire discussion. It was a bad pick and I do not defend the process in which led us to the Bradley pick. He was a bad athlete with weird advanced numbers because of his offensive rebounding prowess.

I do think the Udoka pick is defensible. Was it a good pick? No. Was it the smart pick? No. Where there better picks out there to bet on, yes. But I dont think taking a swing on a guy who was as big and athletic as Dok, who showed really high highs in college, was a terrible idea.

 

[FalseFlagg K]

Fantastic episode you blokes. Very entertaining and insightful One of your best.

 

[Tremendous Upside]

I actually found Ainge's left behind at the Best Buy parking lot. Here's what they said:

The "bigger picture" is a fantasy. But I care about if it prevents us from trying to win in the short term. I'm a reality-based fan. There are only wins and losses. Wins are good, losses are bad. It's not complicated.

I have no idea what point you're trying to make. Not every single comment here needs to adhere to some narrow personal point of view. You're not the thought police.

The bizarre decision to keep Lauri in 22-23 didn't mean that Ainge wanted to win. On the contrary, we've been bad ever since, and the FO keeps kneecapping the team at regular intervals.

If you want to tank efficiently and rebuild the team, you sell high on Lauri as soon as possible. I think that's obvious. Sure, if it was up to me, we'd be trying to win every night and find ways of improving the team that don't involve throwing games... but that's irrelevant. I don't make the decisions.

Even for someone like me, tanking would be slightly easier to take if we didn't have a Top 25 guy on the roster going to waste.

(By the way, quoting someone on a message board and changing their words is pretty ****ing sad.)

 

[KqWIN]

I have no idea what point you're trying to make. Not every single comment here needs to adhere to some narrow personal point of view. You're not the thought police.

The bizarre decision to keep Lauri in 22-23 didn't mean that Ainge wanted to win. On the contrary, we've been bad ever since, and the FO keeps kneecapping the team at regular intervals.

If you want to tank efficiently and rebuild the team, you sell high on Lauri as soon as possible. I think that's obvious. Sure, if it was up to me, we'd be trying to win every night and find ways of improving the team that don't involve throwing games... but that's irrelevant. I don't make the decisions.

Even for someone like me, tanking would be slightly easier to take if we didn't have a Top 25 guy on the roster going to waste.

(By the way, quoting someone on a message board and changing their words is pretty ****ing sad.)

I'm not policing thoughts, I'm trying to understand how these thoughts can coexist. One post you say the big picture doesn't exist and you're constantly insert yourself into conversations about the future....and not to discuss the future but discuss how it's not important to you. Meanwhile, in this thread you complain about DA not trading our best player, presumably for a better future. Everything you're saying about trading Lauri at that time seems logical, but it's only logical if the big picture exists. But you have explicitly said the picture does not exist.

So what is it? Are you honorable, realistic fan who just wants to see wins and no tanking. Or are you an arm chair GM who wants to build a stronger team for the future?

 

[framer]

But is that the question? I think it’s more along the lines of, is trading Lauri at 80 cents on the dollar worth the risk adjusted value of potentially grabbing one of Peterson, Dybantsa, Boozer, Wilson, Brown, Cenac, Carr, or whoever. Trading Lauri basically guarantees us a top 5 spot.

Even if we traded Lauri, I am afraid the guaranteed top 5 spot is completely out of the question. Too many teams are playing bad that shouldn't be this bad.

https://www.reddit.com/r/billsimmons/s/uPw4UZJ5jf

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They hatin on my boy

Find somebody you love as much as Bill Simmons loves the sound of his own voice. . . Dude is now, and has always been, insufferable.

 

[NUMBERICA]

Find somebody you love as much as Bill Simmons loves the sound of his own voice. . . Dude is now, and has always been, insufferable.

That’s not Bill Simmons.

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[Flc]

I’ve been saving this all week to listen to while cleaning the house today. Can’t wait.

 

[gomretat]

I actually think Lindsey was a great basketball mind. You don’t find Mitchell, Rudy, and Ingles at such value and not be pretty good. But painters are gonna paint and he had some real stinkers too.

Lindsey did some great things and everyone that paints for long enough has stinkers.

 

[gomretat]

I still think the Udoka pick wasnt that bad on paper. The dude was a monster his last year at Kansas and he fit the system perfectly. He was absolutely massive and had a 40'' vertical (minus a few inches because he probably cheated the standing reach) It just seemed like he didnt really like basketball at all. No idea how much of that came through in the interview process. Did they just ignore it and draft him on his advanced stats/crazy tools?

He was a great fit for the system if you were building your scheme around Rudy's strengths and weaknesses. He was a legit back up option that didnt kill us without changing schemes. If it had panned out, that had more value than drafting a starter in some other positions. It obviously didnt work but I never had a problem with the logic behind it. I know I was in the very small minority.

 

[Losing Interest]

Lindsey did some great things and everyone that paints for long enough has stinkers.

Sorry!! I liked a lot of what Lindsey did but selecting Udoka over Desmond Bane had to be one of the worst misses. Udoka may have had a monster final year in college but Bane had a solid 4 years. He shot 38% from 3 his freshman year. He followed that up with 46%, 42% & 44%. He was also a good size for a guard which the Jazz needed at the time.