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Gay marriage in Utah put on hold

To be fair... Our primary and secondary education systems are straight ****. And my wife is a primary school teacher!

But our post-secondary (tertiary?) is generally top-notch
 
Nobody knows who the hell those churches are.

Sure we do, we've even linked news stories to them. For the most part, no one cares.

The Mormon church was already broken up by the government because of marriage, and their men thrown in jail so your assurances are empty crap.

You mean, before the 14th amendment required that the states also ensure freedom of religion?
 
To be fair... Our primary and secondary education systems are straight ****. And my wife is a primary school teacher!

But our post-secondary (tertiary?) is generally top-notch

Y'all have some of (if not the) best post-sec institutions, bar none. Y'all tend to foster some of the brightest writers, scientists, economists, and politicians of the world.

Still, the education system is flawed-- and it isn't AT ALL indicative if your wife's performance, or Wes/Gyp/QSH's performances. It's indicative of the systems and structures overseeing it.
 
For every Nobel scientist that comes from Stanford, how many kids in Cali never graduate high school? That's the sorta 'ish I'm talking about.


And I'm not trying to point fingers. Canada isn't perfect either (sorry Jim). Just look into what we've out our Indigenous Peoples through, and how 'well' educational services are being provided to them.
 
I remember a girl just a year older than me, the same age as my cousin/neighbor/friend who was her best friend. . . . . her name "Gay". yes that was her legal name. When she was seventeen she eloped with some guy who was probably a lot of fun, and I bet they thought they were having a gay time.

I was the paperboy who rode my bike past her house every day, leaving the Salt Lake Tribune on her parents' doorstep. I thought it was a very nice name for a pretty girl.

I know a woman named Gaye (with an "e") and my mom had a good friend named Gay (spelled just like that)

We also have neighbors whose last name is Gayes and some years back for a while next door to them was a family of 2 gay men and their 2 children. One day I asked one of my kids to bring something over to the Gayes' house and they brought it to the wrong house. So later that evening I get a call from one of the men asking what it was all about and I said "oh that's for the Gayes..." Then I sort of paused awkwardly and he laughed and said he'd bring it next door.

That was probably 15 years ago.
 
https://www.houstonchronicle.com/ne...bpoenas-sermons-in-ERO-court-case-5822800.php

In Houston there is a court case over a city law regarding equal rights. Now the court has subpoenaed the sermons and communications between pastors and members of their congregations.

Toughts? Does this violate any freedoms? I am sure Dutch will have a field day with this one.

Perhaps they are looking for pastors who specifically supported a political candidate. You can lose your tax exemption for doing that.
 
I know a woman named Gaye (with an "e") and my mom had a good friend named Gay (spelled just like that)

We also have neighbors whose last name is Gayes and some years back for a while next door to them was a family of 2 gay men and their 2 children. One day I asked one of my kids to bring something over to the Gayes' house and they brought it to the wrong house. So later that evening I get a call from one of the men asking what it was all about and I said "oh that's for the Gayes..." Then I sort of paused awkwardly and he laughed and said he'd bring it next door.

That was probably 15 years ago.

it'd go a long way in my book if all gays could laugh at stuff like that and just be that decent......

uhhhhmmmm........ same thing for Mormons or anyone else. . . . .
 
Perhaps they are looking for pastors who specifically supported a political candidate. You can lose your tax exemption for doing that.

That would not make sense in the tone of this case. This is against a specific law, not a recent election. If that were the case then that is not an attempt at retaliation?
 
That would not make sense in the tone of this case. This is against a specific law, not a recent election. If that were the case then that is not an attempt at retaliation?

Perhaps. That was just my first thought.
 
Marriage strongly implies sexual relations, which quite often results in procreation...

As a matter of fact, both marriage and sexual relations between close relatives are against the law in most western countries.

So what? Sexual relations is not a prerequisite for marriage. Can you show evidence that married couples have more sex than non-married? In fact, I bet the opposite is true. So maybe it's in society's best interest to allow sibling marriage?
 
Perhaps they are looking for pastors who specifically supported a political candidate. You can lose your tax exemption for doing that.

Question is, why did the subpoenas specify pastors and members of their congregations instead of targeting other groups, such as the local Committee on Foreign Relations (known to be positively pushing the LGBT agenda while being a tax exemp private group, or the ACLU, or the Lions Club or Rotary or the Knights of Columbus or the Sierra Club or the Texas State Bar Association or about a thousand local "charities" operation through local arrangements with tax exempt community philanthropics.

Surprised you're not out there crying outrage on this one.

Religions have been singled out for public persecution and driven out of the political community, absolute disenfranchised from participating in our political system, whether acting individually or collectively in the political process.

The Constitution says Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of a national religion, meaning as it was intended that our Federal government could not specify a national "Church". It was a postive bar against exerting any prejudice legislatively for or against a church.

The SCOTUS failed to see that as a bar against the Edmunds-Tucker Act. . . . and against some other legislation that has favored or disfavored some specific belief systems. . . . .
 
So what? Sexual relations is not a prerequisite for marriage. Can you show evidence that married couples have more sex than non-married? In fact, I bet the opposite is true. So maybe it's in society's best interest to allow sibling marriage?

While I see the problem with some Libertarian concepts that seem unsettling to the general public, I question the whole notion of state endorsement of private contracts or church sanctioned relations. Put me down for saying the government is not the solution to private prejudices. Injurious actions, yes.
 
Quick question - does Civil Union not already provided gay couples with exactly the same rights as a marriage, albeit under a different name?
 
Question is, why did the subpoenas specify pastors and members of their congregations instead of targeting other groups, such as the local Committee on Foreign Relations (known to be positively pushing the LGBT agenda while being a tax exemp private group, or the ACLU, or the Lions Club or Rotary or the Knights of Columbus or the Sierra Club or the Texas State Bar Association or about a thousand local "charities" operation through local arrangements with tax exempt community philanthropics.

If you have evidence of any of these groups publicly stumping for a particular political candidate, please notify the IRS.

Religions have been singled out for public persecution and driven out of the political community, absolute disenfranchised from participating in our political system, whether acting individually or collectively in the political process.

*snort* *chortle* *guffaw*

In a country where POTUS is Christian, 95% of Congress is openly Christian (and maybe two members have no religion at all), at least 48 out of 50 governors are openly Christian, and being a non-Christian effectively makes you un-electable as a Senator in over half the states. the notion that religious people have been driven out of the political process deserves only derision.

The Constitution says Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of a national religion, meaning as it was intended

I think intent is best explained by the writers, particularly James Madison (the primary author), who openly advocated the wall of separation.
 
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