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****ing terrible argument. The second unit's offense was run through him pretty consistently, and he grabbed a lot of O-boards playing on a terrible offensive team. His grasp of 5-man basketball and defensive effort/focus was poor for most of the season. Do you really think his play should have landed him better than 106th in the league in minutes?
 
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Started with Chad Ford.

The particulars still aren't known. I would assume that it had a bad contract attached, but maybe it didn't. Afterall, Marvin was lighting it up pre-trade deadline. Not ready to say it was the wring move because I don't know what the deal was, just pointing out that there was a deal that DL refused.
You're a decent poster, so I apologize for sounding a little more confrontational than I should have been. Guess I'm just tired of seeing blanket statements such as we could have gotten "this" or Lindsey should do whatever it takes, etc. AS you said, we don't know the details. But given the fact that Turner and Hawes fetched nothing more than 2nd's, I think it's likely a first round pick would have required taking on a contract with at least another year left. Otherwise, I think DL would have jumped on it; he likes to accumulate assets.
 
****ing terrible argument. The second unit's offense was run through him pretty consistently, and he grabbed a lot of O-boards playing on a terrible offensive team. His grasp of 5-man basketball and defensive effort/focus was poor for most of the season. Do you really think his play should have landed him better than 106th in the league in minutes?

Once again, context.

On this team? Most definitely.

His lack of 5-on-5 knowledge has been known since we drafted him. We took him knowing we'd have to develop him. Putting him out there on the court un meaningless games in a rebuild year where we wanted a higher draft pick was a perfect opportunity. Let him take his lumps and coach him through it, that's what we signed up for when drafting him. Ni reason he couldn't have played 36 this year.

By not playing him more, we broke Marvin. Marvin's pre vs post all star #'s are night and day.
 
Dude was 106th in minutes played in the NBA this season, and averaged nearly 27 minutes per game. His play didn't warrant the minutes he received. "Entitled" is the appropriate word here.

Kyrie
Parsons
Kemba
Klay
Isaiah
Vucevic
Kawhi
Alec
Faried
Jonas

where was enes ranked in minutes played per game in relation to the players you listed?

Maybe if he got minutes like kyrie, klay, faried, etc then he might be on thier level production wise
 
Do you really think his play should have landed him better than 106th in the league in minutes?

On the worst team in the west? Yup
 
Once again, context.

On this team? Most definitely.

His lack of 5-on-5 knowledge has been known since we drafted him. We took him knowing we'd have to develop him. Putting him out there on the court un meaningless games in a rebuild year where we wanted a higher draft pick was a perfect opportunity. Let him take his lumps and coach him through it, that's what we signed up for when drafting him. Ni reason he couldn't have played 36 this year.

By not playing him more, we broke Marvin. Marvin's pre vs post all star #'s are night and day.

this
 
Once again, context.

On this team? Most definitely.

His lack of 5-on-5 knowledge has been known since we drafted him. We took him knowing we'd have to develop him. Putting him out there on the court un meaningless games in a rebuild year where we wanted a higher draft pick was a perfect opportunity. Let him take his lumps and coach him through it, that's what we signed up for when drafting him. Ni reason he couldn't have played 36 this year.

By not playing him more, we broke Marvin. Marvin's pre vs post all star #'s are night and day.
1. He was out there. 27 minutes per game. Those are starter minutes. Enes's play warranted less. I can't imagine giving unwarranted minutes to players incentivizes playing hard to earn a greater role and more minutes very well. "Entitled".

2. Once again, unrealistic expectations. There were 16 players in the league who averaged 36 minutes per game.

3. So...Marvin broke by playing 25 minutes per game, but there was no reason not to play Enes 36?
 
where was enes ranked in minutes played per game in relation to the players you listed?

Maybe if he got minutes like kyrie, klay, faried, etc then he might be on thier level production wise
Production? Enes doesn't know how to play 5-man basketball. Those guys do.
 
Production? Enes doesn't know how to play 5-man basketball. Those guys do.

Klay thompson defense better than pippen tbh
 
On the worst team in the west? Yup
So the Jazz had 5 young players in the top 106 in minutes played. All 5 of them averaged 10+ field goal attempts per game (IIRC this is the first team in decades to have 5 players under 24 average 10+ field goal attempts). And we're celebrating one of these players whining about minutes? And we're stating that all 5 of them should have been in the top 20 in the league in minutes per game? It's ****ing ludicrous.
 
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