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So for those of you not named Zulu, who would you comparé Burks to?

I say hes à Nice player to have on your team, but I would never want to pay him more than $8 mil/year.


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UGLI baby said:
So for those of you not named Zulu, who would you comparé Burks to?

I say hes à Nice player to have on your team, but I would never want to pay him more than $8 mil/year.


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sad to say but after 2 and a half years, we haven't seen enough to really know yet.
 
UGLI baby said:
So for those of you not named Zulu, who would you comparé Burks to?

I say hes à Nice player to have on your team, but I would never want to pay him more than $8 mil/year.


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I don't pay him more than MMLE. Why? he's inconsistent. Gives you 30 one night, costs you 20 the other. Also doesn't show much interest into defense. Goes to the free throw line fairly often, and misses too much from there. His 3 point shot is mediocre, as his free throws indicate. Below avg on his hero ball head through the wall offense and way worse defensively. Typical 2nd unit player who may receive below 10 min one night, and 30 the other. But avg you have him on the floor 16-18 min on a productive team and use his strengths.
 
UGLI baby said:
STFU GTFO EABOD



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Good counter arguement.
See i understand that im a burks homer, but i think you know my posting history and you have seen me be plenty critical and fair and unbiased when it comes to byu related things most of the time......even my post on the last page of this thread i told zulu that even i cant put burks at the top of our core 5 right now.

But you must understand that you have some bias in this discussion as well since you have always had burks at the bottom of your list and have not watched him play during the best stretch of his young career (now that he is finally getting consistent minutes) so of course you are going to be stubborn about this.
Maybe someone besides ugli can tell me why its a bad comparison. (another guy i compare him to is james harden, though harden has a much better 3 point shot.)

Wade was alot stronger than burks and a better defender.
Both are great at getting to the line.... wade was better but of course he was a star so early on (he got 35 minutes per game rookie year) and the man on his team from the get go and was getting superstar treatment.
Both are quick and have a great first step...... I actually think burks is quicker and has a better first step (NO ONE can stay in front of alec burks.... seriously)
Both have suspect outside shots..... Burks shot is getting better and better (2 for 2 from about 20 feet last night) and i think burks MIGHT be the better shooter already.
Both are good ball handlers for thier position...... Pretty even in this area i think
Both are good rebounders for thier postition..... wade is the better of the two
I think burks is the better passer.

But its hard to compare the two because burks is just barely really starting his nba career this season (finally getting consistent minutes and consistent role) so we dont know what burks as a finished product will be..... but he does have some GREAT skills to work with.

Its like the whole comparing embiid to olijuwan thing...... embiid has some similar skills but he has not played nearly long enough for anyone to really take the comparison seriously.


also like i said before..... d wade was 22 years old in his rookie year and if you look at his numbers per 36 (he averaged 35 per game) and burks numbers per 36, they are pretty even........... and that includes burks horrible november. If you were to take out november then i think burks numbers would be better than d wades 22 year old rookie year.
 
UGLI baby said:
Ya, ive seen that.



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So what did you think of it?
did you think burks looked good that game or did he look liked he sucked?

You dont even put a comment about it, just "ya, ive seen that" as if it was a ho hum type game.

Watch the video again and look and see if you see burks do dwayne wade type things.
I would say another thing that burks is better than wade at is "hoodini" type trick shots.
 
Honestly thought the D Wade thing was a joke. Cmon Fishbro, that's pretty bad.

I don't dislike Burks at all, I just think he is a slightly above average NBA player who at the peak of his career will be a borderline NBA starter.


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fishonjazz said:
So what did you think of it?
did you think burks looked good that game or did he look liked he sucked?

You dont even put a comment about it, just "ya, ive seen that" as if it was a ho hum type game.

Watch the video again and look and see if you see burks do dwayne wade type things.
I would say another thing that burks is better than wade at is "hoodini" type trick shots.
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That game was impressive. Ive never ever said Burks sucked, I just totally disagree that he is some elite asset that we have. I just think he is a nice young player, but not a building block of a franchise by a long shot.



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UGLI baby said:
That game was impressive. Ive never ever said Burks sucked, I just totally disagree that he is some elite asset that we have. I just think he is a nice young player, but not a building block of a franchise by a long shot.



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Thats fair...... Just remember that he is still getting better and better and it looks like he has not reached his ceiling.

IMO its still too early to tell how good burks will be, I have no idea. He might be close to his ceiling right now and you could be right that he will just be an average starter or good bench player....... or he might not be close to his ceiling yet and he could surpise us all.

He does have some of the same skills as wade though (ball handling, finishing in traffic/through contact, getting to the line, super quick first step off the dribble) but wade was the man on his team and everything went through him as a number 1 option.

Right now we are seeing what burks can do with some good consistent minutes in a good role..... I wonder what would happen if we just started him and made him the number 1 option and told him to be a ball hog and just attack whenever he felt he has a chance to score.
He might fall flat on his face, but im at least starting to entertain the thought that he can be a number 1 option.
 
UGLI baby said:
That game was impressive. Ive never ever said Burks sucked, I just totally disagree that he is some elite asset that we have. I just think he is a nice young player, but not a building block of a franchise by a long shot.



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BTW, this is the opinion that most people SHOULD have of burks since he has not had much of a chance in his career to show us a whole lot.

Myself, zulu, and the other big burks homers are for sure seeing things that are not there yet due to small sample size glimpses...... but not every player in the league is a star from day one, especially with a vet lovin coach like corbin

I honestly think that there is a chance that if the jazz drafted D Wade and corbin was the coach that we might be thinking "that d wade is a pretty decent starter."
 
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