2014 Draft Combine

[Tarkanian]

Doesn't rondo have an elite wingspan?

Rondo is what he is, not because of it doe, I'd say.
He is a team first PG, who is (maybe too) willing to play D.
and I must add, he has an incredible understanding of the game, as well as good court vision and naturally a high BB-IQ.
These qualities > other deficiencies .
If his wingspan were, say, 3 inches short, he could have had fewer steals, I accept that.
That said, he would still be a very very good player.

I agree with the premise, but there is a "breaking point" where a guy is just too small to play a position. Randle for instance, was at that breaking point. Today he measured a little better than expected, and has probably cleared the breaking point. If he tests out well athletically, he can further clear it.

agreed utterly and totally, Sire.
Everybody is now praising Vonleh. When I look at the numbers it is like Randle is an inch short here and two there.
Except his hand size (bad joke alert), which has further ramifications and insuniations; I can't see why that inch should matter, IF Randle is fundamentally the better player.
now that is a big if.

 

[Fabtrey]

measurements are just a part of equation. if play A and player B play same position and have a similar basketball ability then GMs/coaches would want a guy with better measurements.

players with ideal sizes tend to do better too. but yeah, you can't measure heart & desire. there will always be tom bradys out there.

 

[Fabtrey]

Beginning to grow fond of fabtrey

i grow on people

 

[Fabtrey]

i know these are stereotypical thinking, but IMO there are alot of truth to this:

1. big hands - less fumble, helps body control
2. long arms - helps in block
3. big bun buns - helps post game
4. long wingspan - better defense, keeps players in front of them
5. wide, but small non flat feet - more agile feet, less chance for your feet to get tangled
6. too much muscle - lack stamina
7. ideal height/weight/speed ratio - no problem in most defensive situation


mcbucket would've been better if he was classic PF sized. but now that we know he is clearly 3. can he score? yes. but does he have ideal size/weight/speed ratio to defend other 3? i doubt it. so most likely guys like that become a situational player and won't be able to play starter minutes.



me saying smart is 6ft 3 max
https://jazzfanz.com/showthread.php?14955-Following-potential-2014-draftees/page793

said somewhere that i'm leaning towards him being 6ft 2 ish barefoot. his height doesn't hurt him if he can play full time point guard. and in today's nba, i think he can play PG.

but even with his ginormous wingspan, he doesn't have ideal height for SG. let's say smart flops at being PG. turnovers, make poor decisions, gets impatient. then what? he has that tweener size where he can play 2. but that means team is giving up on him as being a PG.

 

[seattlejazzfan]

I agree with the premise, but there is a "breaking point" where a guy is just too small to play a position. Randle for instance, was at that breaking point. Today he measured a little better than expected, and has probably cleared the breaking point. If he tests out well athletically, he can further clear it.

I guess Barkley would have been too small to play PF - or at too small to be any good at it, right?

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[Dr. Jones]

James Young measuring out very well. As a SG has same wingspan as a couple lottery PF's (Randle, for one) and his standing reach is impressive too.

I suspect some scouts may drool over his measurables and how effortlessly he moves up and down the court and shoots the ball... void of having to play defense, pass, or dribble through traffic.

 

[Fabtrey]

I guess Barkley would have been too small to play PF - or at too small to be any good at it, right?

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he was a one of a kind. dude was 290 ish before the draft, but he still moved like a deer. and one of the strongest dude ever walked on court. not everyone can be barkley.

 

[Fabtrey]

shabazz napier - 5ft 11 barefoot, 6ft 1 with shoes.
Gary harris - 6ft 2 1/2 barefoot, 6ft 4 1/2 with shoes

congratulations on your 'i inserted dr. scholl insoles in my shoe, so people don't call me a midget' award

 

[seattlejazzfan]

he was a one of a kind. dude was 290 ish before the draft, but he still moved like a deer. and one of the strongest dude ever walked on court. not everyone can be barkley.

So you agree that there really isn't a "breaking point" where a guy is just too small to play a position? That there are other factors in play.

You're wise to take that stance.
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[Fabtrey]

So you agree that there really isn't a "breaking point" where a guy is just too small to play a position? That there are other factors in play.

You're wise to take that stance.
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there are always exception to the rule. we are splitting hairs, so a guy with ideal size is usually favored over a guy who doesn't have ideal size. and in a lottery pick, you don't want to pick 6ft 5 barefoot guy to play PF. it's too much of a risk. but again charles barkley, larry johnson, etc. there are exceptions.






and randle is not at the breaking point. he has average PF size. but well below average PF hand size.

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

I think with McDermott, you're basically looking for the next Chris Mullin. Is he going to guard anyone? Not really. But he'll keep moving, use space really well to make up for his lack of quickness, and he'll still hit his first 6 shots.

Look at the athletes that the Spurs are putting on the floor. Tim Duncan doesn't get off the ground much any more. Tiago Splitter is an average athlete. Boris Diaw is chubby. Marco Bellinelli isn't anything special. Patty Mills is undersized. They just know how to play.

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

DX: Exum's lane agility is the best at this year's combine so far and just about on par with MCW last year. Guy's got good quicks.

 

[Stifle Tower]

DX: Exum's lane agility is the best at this year's combine so far and just about on par with MCW last year. Guy's got good quicks.

Exum could very well push Embiid down to the Jazz at #4.

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

Exum could very well push Embiid down to the Jazz at #4.

Or Parker possibly.

 

[seattlejazzfan]

Uh, Marcus Smart. Dude is 6'3" 230, jumps 36" and lane agility is faster than Wall, Westbrook and CP3.

Freak.

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[Beantown]

I like how Jay Williams was ripping on teams for interviewing players. The reason they interview players is so they don't get stuck with wasting a high draft pick on someone like Jay Williams!!!

 

[Duck Rodgers]

Uh, Marcus Smart. Dude is 6'3" 230, jumps 36" and lane agility is faster than Wall, Westbrook and CP3.

Freak.

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+ extra points for not being a weanie that skips the combine.

 

[Beantown]

+ extra points for not being a weanie that skips the combine.

But -2 points for punching a fan.

 

[seattlejazzfan]

But -2 points for punching a fan.

Meh. That was +2 in my book. That dumbass had it coming.

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[Avery]

Breaking news - Gordon's got hops.