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2019 Trade Deadline Discussion

LoPo said:
So in other words, Phoenix is still looking for a PG. How close were Rubio and Igor?
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The Jazz are not trading Rubio unless a better/comparable but better fit PG is coming back. They are trying to win games, getting rid off your starting PG is not a recipe for success. As poor as Rubio has been, he's still our best PG by some margin since Exum hasn't taken the step forward I expected.
 
LoPo said:
You are proving my point. Only a Jazz fan would call Favors a top 40 player or even bring up that stupid stat. Quin benches Favors on the regular and only plays him 23 minutes per game.
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What I said was "producing as a top 40 player". Considering Favors is playing behind a top 20 player, I don't find the minutes surprising.

Which "stupid" stat did you think I was referring to?
 
Jazz said:
Ingles is so much better than Rubio lol. I've played basketball at a high level. People like u have no idea. U probably never played in your life. It's impossible trying to make lots of u understand. SMH!!!
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I was watching last night when Ingles was the point (I believe we had Exum-O'Neale-Ingles-Sefalosha-Favors on the floor). He ran pick-and-rolls while three players were almost stationary. That is not our offense.
 
One Brow said:
I was watching last night when Ingles was the point (I believe we had Exum-O'Neale-Ingles-Sefalosha-Favors on the floor). He ran pick-and-rolls while three players were almost stationary. That is not our offense.
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Exum can create a bit but those guys are not knock down shooters or ball handlers... so yeah that ain’t working super well. If Ingles is out there with DM, Rudy, Crowder, and Royce it’s probably just fine. DM handles the ball most of the fourth anyway.

I agree with your point though. When the ball moves it seems to be with less purpose and more like a grown up game of hot potatoe... not like we are building towards getting the knock down three or layup we are hunting.

A game we could have won last night but still lots of issues.
 
stitches said:
The Jazz are not trading Rubio unless a better/comparable but better fit PG is coming back. They are trying to win games, getting rid off your starting PG is not a recipe for success. As poor as Rubio has been, he's still our best PG by some margin since Exum hasn't taken the step forward I expected.
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I can understand that logic to a degree, but also, I thought we played amazing basketball last night when Donovan ran the offense pretty much the whole 3rd quarter. Rubio was a bystander and it worked.

I'm not one of those guys who thinks Mitchell will be a full time PG. But I'm also one of those guys who thinks Rubio should play about half as many minutes as he is. I just don't believe that we have the guts to demote Rubio.
 
First point: What teams do we think Favors would be most valuable to? I can only think of two teams that are trying to win (so exclude Suns, Bulls, Cavs, etc.) who would significantly improve with him: 1) Washington, and 2) the Clippers. Are there other similar teams that I am forgetting?

Second point: If these are the two teams for which Favors is most valuable, it seems like they would have to be the most likely trade partners. That being said, I will be surprised if we don't trade Favors for OPJ since: 1) DL liked Porter and he tends to fixate on players, 2) Washington's GM (Ernie Grunfeld) is on the hot seat and this trade would allow them to perform better this year and have better cap moving forward, 3) OPJ is overpaid so there won't be too much competition, 4) OPJ is out with knee issues so he is not likely to be traded before Jan 15th, and 5) the Jazz 2019 cap space is less valuable than before since their major FA targets (Mirotic, Middleton, Harris) are likely to stay and there are a lot of teams with cap space.
 
checkbookdoc said:
First point: What teams do we think Favors would be most valuable to? I can only think of two teams that are trying to win (so exclude Suns, Bulls, Cavs, etc.) who would significantly improve with him: 1) Washington, and 2) the Clippers. Are there other similar teams that I am forgetting?

Second point: If these are the two teams for which Favors is most valuable, it seems like they would have to be the most likely trade partners. That being said, I will be surprised if we don't trade Favors for OPJ since: 1) DL liked Porter and he tends to fixate on players, 2) Washington's GM (Ernie Grunfeld) is on the hot seat and this trade would allow them to perform better this year and have better cap moving forward, 3) OPJ is overpaid so there won't be too much competition, 4) OPJ is out with knee issues so he is not likely to be traded before Jan 15th, and 5) the Jazz 2019 cap space is less valuable than before since their major FA targets (Mirotic, Middleton, Harris) are likely to stay and there are a lot of teams with cap space.
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OP Jr will help but I think we still need more creators (which don’t come cheap generally). There isn’t a silver bullet (outside of a KD type).

I don’t know if Washington is more or less likely to trade OP given the Ariza deal. They’ve eliminated some of their future salary concerns. I do wonder if Sacramento gets involved there. They can get Washington out of the tax this year and give them a couple pieces... none better than favors... but they could do shump and Koufus and I think that gets wiz out of the tax and gets them two useful rotation players.

Would Favs and thabo do it? Would Sacramento also eat Howard’s salary? I don’t think they get young players or other significant pieces in the trade... they may hold off though.
 
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