2019 Trade Deadline Discussion

[LoPo]

First point: What teams do we think Favors would be most valuable to? I can only think of two teams that are trying to win (so exclude Suns, Bulls, Cavs, etc.) who would significantly improve with him: 1) Washington, and 2) the Clippers. Are there other similar teams that I am forgetting?

Second point: If these are the two teams for which Favors is most valuable, it seems like they would have to be the most likely trade partners. That being said, I will be surprised if we don't trade Favors for OPJ since: 1) DL liked Porter and he tends to fixate on players, 2) Washington's GM (Ernie Grunfeld) is on the hot seat and this trade would allow them to perform better this year and have better cap moving forward, 3) OPJ is overpaid so there won't be too much competition, 4) OPJ is out with knee issues so he is not likely to be traded before Jan 15th, and 5) the Jazz 2019 cap space is less valuable than before since their major FA targets (Mirotic, Middleton, Harris) are likely to stay and there are a lot of teams with cap space.

I agree with much of what you are saying. Otto Porter would seem to be a player who could be available close to the deadline. That all depends on how Washington is doing from January 15 until February 7.

I like the idea of Porter, but he doesn't solve all of our issues. I like having him over just keeping Favors or likely striking out in the summer on other free agents.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Supposedly Indiana is looking to move Collison or Cory Joseph. Not sure we have anything they really want (maybe Thabo... gritty long defender on expiring deal?)... but I think Collison would make a decent difference. Having someone who can create competently on the second unit and might give us a look at what it looks like to have a more traditional pg next to DM. I like Cory as a starter more than a second unit guy because he's more of a defender/caretaker... like a rich man's Neto... and the second unit needs some help.

He shoots well from outside, but takes a hundred years to load up the shot.

Another guy that would provide some creation... Jeremy Lin. When he's been healthy he's been solid. He's a ****** defender, but has some size at the PG. I know all the smoke out of the front office says they still believe in Dante... but if Atlanta did a straight swap and we just got off the contract I'd be happy... a little sad it didn't work, but I think that contract is going to be a minor drag.

 

[infection]

if Atlanta did a straight swap and we just got off the contract I'd be happy... a little sad it didn't work, but I think that contract is going to be a minor drag.

That'd be executive of the year type maneuvering. Let's send every Australian with "Jazz" in their user name over to their forums to hype up Exum... just a little, though, not too much because it would get old fast and they'd say no.

 

[LoPo]

Supposedly Indiana is looking to move Collison or Cory Joseph. Not sure we have anything they really want (maybe Thabo... gritty long defender on expiring deal?)... but I think Collison would make a decent difference. Having someone who can create competently on the second unit and might give us a look at what it looks like to have a more traditional pg next to DM. I like Cory as a starter more than a second unit guy because he's more of a defender/caretaker... like a rich man's Neto... and the second unit needs some help.

He shoots well from outside, but takes a hundred years to load up the shot.

Another guy that would provide some creation... Jeremy Lin. When he's been healthy he's been solid. He's a ****** defender, but has some size at the PG. I know all the smoke out of the front office says they still believe in Dante... but if Atlanta did a straight swap and we just got off the contract I'd be happy... a little sad it didn't work, but I think that contract is going to be a minor drag.

If we got Jeremy Lin (who I like) or Collison, what happens with Rubio? Do we just dial back his minutes? What happens this summer when we have 3 meh options at PG in Rubio, Collison/Lin and Neto? Do we have the guts to let all three go for the chance at a new adventure?

If we can find a trade for Rubio, I love the idea of trading for Lin.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

If we got Jeremy Lin (who I like) or Collison, what happens with Rubio? Do we just dial back his minutes? What happens this summer when we have 3 meh options at PG in Rubio, Collison/Lin and Neto? Do we have the guts to let all three go for the chance at a new adventure?

If we can find a trade for Rubio, I love the idea of trading for Lin.

There are 48 pg minutes... collison or Lin soak up all the backup pg minutes... They could also work alongside Rubio for a few minutes if they really have it going. When Rubio sucks we have another truly viable option (I've given up on Exum and Neto is limited but good as a injury insurance option).

 

[infection]

If for whatever reason we didn't bring back Rubio, I'd prefer Patty Mills and Patrick Beverley (both).

 

[infection]

What's the reason Indiana wants to trade Joseph or Collison? Are they interested in hype? We've got someone we can send back.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

That'd be executive of the year type maneuvering. Let's send every Australian with "Jazz" in their user name over to their forums to hype up Exum... just a little, though, not too much because it would get old fast and they'd say no.

Could also use Exum in the Jabari deal... would be a way to sell the trade to both fanbases (hope, potential, youth... etc.). Could be a low key salary dump for us.

I think Exum's deal is slightly negative, but I could see a team taking on the project... sounds like Fultz is not available just for expirings (they want a first supposedly). If he sucks all year I only see Dante's value declining. I haven't seen the potential flashes of superstar in Dante... Given his injury history I would be actively looking to move him in January... Not desperate, but active for sure.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

What's the reason Indiana wants to trade Joseph or Collison? Are they interested in hype? We've got someone we can send back.

I think they'd want to keep the powder dry... don't see them as a Dante destination. They want to open up some time for Holiday... maybe address other needs. I think they'd have interest in Thabo... I think I'd prefer Collison and the salary is hard to match.

 

[LoPo]

First point: What teams do we think Favors would be most valuable to?

So back to this point. Here is what I would say to this question of who might have interest in Favors:

Charlotte - they are a team that wants to win now and they would love to build around Kemba. Favors could be a short term piece or a guy who could stay for the long term. I could see a Kemba and Favors PnR being very effective.

Miami - they are rumored to be willing to trade Whiteside and others. Favors would seem to fit there well.

Milwaukee - a team that might look to strengthen as much as possible heading into the playoffs. George Hill and an asset might make sense to us depending on what else we do.

Washington - for reasons we have discussed

San Antonio - I could see Aldridge and Favors fitting quite well next to each other. I think Pop could see value in Favors.

New York - they want to dump salaries so Favors' nonguaranteed 2nd year would be valuable for them

Lakers - if there was a 3rd team that wanted Caldwell-Pope badly enough, I could see us trading Favors to LA, KCP to that 3rd team and we get assets. Favors is a player the Lakers could use for a playoff run.

Philadelphia - if Embiid got hurt, Favors is a perfect addition for a team with high aspirations but also want nonguaranteed contracts.

 

[Jazzta]

This doesn't shock me. I hate his salary, but I'm not as worried about his fit as some others on here.

I think there would be a riot if we traded Favors for Jabari. Some people would lose their minds.

"The Utah Jazz are one of the teams interested in Parker, according to multiple league sources. Derrick Favors is an awkward fit next to center Rudy Gobert, and his $16.9 million on the books for next season is non-guaranteed, meaning he could be one of the pieces involved. Favors can’t be traded until January 15, so Chicago would have to wait. Would it be worth it? The Bulls are loaded with young bigs, so it’s hard to see them taking back Favors unless additional assets are included. Utah has all of its future picks, except for a 2020 second-rounder going to the Cavaliers, and has two other seconds incoming.

Parker’s value has diminished, but the Jazz are desperate for offense. They rank 23rd in offensive rating this season, and last in offensive rating in the fourth quarter. Parker doesn’t care about playing defense, but the rest of the team does; if they can help him get stops, maybe he can help them buy a bucket."

“Parker doesn’t care about defense...”

Regardless of whether he’d be a good fit or not I’d be embarrassed to have that kind of reputation around the league if I were him.

 

[LoPo]

What I said was "producing as a top 40 player". Considering Favors is playing behind a top 20 player, I don't find the minutes surprising.

Which "stupid" stat did you think I was referring to?

I apologize if you were not implying that Favors was a top 40 player. Many times, people use some stat to overvalue or devalue a player. When it comes to Favors, this happens all the time. He's not a top 40 NBA player. He's probably not even a top 100 NBA player.

If he played on most rosters, he would be playing behind other players. His best spot would be center on some team with talent from 1-4. If you put him on Washington or Golden State, he would be excellent in that role but still the 5th best player on that particular team.