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2019 Trade Deadline Discussion

I got a better nights sleep. I think im ready to move onto the acceptance stage of grief over this Conley trade.

Now that the Clippers are sellers do the jazz have a chance to aquire anything there? Or does it influence Conley asking price?
 
I kinda feel like our goose is cooked. Now free agency is irrelevant. I’ve kept saying get what you can get when you can get it, because the landscape changes quick. My assumption is we don’t get Conley and we take the “grass is always greener in the future” approach and end up having to re-up our same guys.

I’d be looking to move for Niko, Jabari, Lou Williams, and Beverley.
 
Jack Strop said:
No, it happens when you use 5 draft picks (2 for Burke, then Exum, Hill and Rubio) trying to get a PG and end up with one who can't shoot consistently and one who hasn't proven much except in the eyes of a few staunch homeboys. It also happens when you sell pick after pick instead of finding a few rotation players in the 2nd round. It happens when you have a ton of cap space year after year but don't sign any free agents that could later be tradeable assets. Don't blame Hayward. I hate the guy, but a lot saw that coming. And very few GM's arrange for trade exceptions when they're about to sign free agents.

The blame is squarely on the back of Lindsey for wasting a ton of assets, for not doing a proper rebuild by keeping Utah in the late lottery for all but the Exum pick. And for keeping Utah at or near the bottom for payroll for 4 years running. And this past summer...had a chance to use the MLE. But instead signed Niang who is not a prospect. And instead of getting Niko, kept the pick and drafted Allen, who also has pretty much zero trade value.
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This is a good assessment. The jazz motto is "slow and steady is fiscally sound".
 
LogGrad98 said:
This is a good assessment. The jazz motto is "slow and steady is fiscally sound".
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To be fair, if I am choosing between 1) Fiscally sound approach which is not likely to lead to a championship but guarantees the team is in Utah or 2) a risky approach that guarantees a ring, but opens a 5% chance of the team moving... I will take approach #1.

The Millers unfortunately are in a league with owners like Paul Allen, Steve Balmer, Mark Cuban. So I get the caution.
 
Kevin O' Conner said the memphis deal was Bismack/MKG/1st for Gasol... I saw that the rumor was Monk was in the deal.

So here's the deal... The Bismack/MKG deal would throw Memphis into the luxury tax... the deal we have proposed for Conley gives them 4-5M in room. We can help facilitate, save some money and Memphis can get a 1st from charlotte, us, houston (Knight for Temple/Green). We could also do a separate deal to take Mack or someone into an exception... but the gap in salary this year helps them with their other deals - charlotte and Houston won't want to take on additional money because of tax and tax line issues - something Memphis can't do as of right now because it throw them in the tax.

Memphis is clearly a messed up situation front office wise... so who knows what they do... but if they only have a few bad deals and collect 3 firsts that should get them started with the rebuild.
 
infection said:
I kinda feel like our goose is cooked. Now free agency is irrelevant. I’ve kept saying get what you can get when you can get it, because the landscape changes quick. My assumption is we don’t get Conley and we take the “grass is always greener in the future” approach and end up having to re-up our same guys.

I’d be looking to move for Niko, Jabari, Lou Williams, and Beverley.
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We are good man... if we really want Conley we can make the extra asset push with a first or Exum (apparently). I don't think we have to. Niko is available in FA if all else fails and his value has plummeted imo.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
We are good man... if we really want Conley we can make the extra asset push with a first or Exum (apparently). I don't think we have to. Niko is available in FA if all else fails and his value has plummeted imo.
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I think some of those things are desert mirage arguments though... the same ones we've made about even Niko... "we can get him for seconds," then "we can sign him in the summer," then "we can trade for him at the deadline when they move AD," then "we can sign him in the summer."
 
Avery said:
I still think you go hard after Harris in the offseason. He's going to be the 4th banana in PHI, but does he want that? A place like Utah is going to allow him more opportunity to shine IMO.
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They will utilize like 75% of his game... they have 4 guys that all have or can be a primary scorer on a good team... working together may prove difficult... also Simmons and Butler are buttholes and Embiid is a big personality that can rub people the wrong way (or not... maybe they will be besties). The can roll out the 4-5 year max and may have regrets midway through next season... we can get him then too. It isn't dead unless we kill our space... it was always a low chance of happening.
 
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