He's very good. But not a pure PG. More of a hybrid PG that likes to pass too much for him to be pure. Plus he steals the ball too much. Pure PGs don't do that.
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He's very good. But not a pure PG. More of a hybrid PG that likes to pass too much for him to be pure. Plus he steals the ball too much. Pure PGs don't do that.
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Yes, I tend to think players that are physically dominating are generally better. Skills are very important as well though. But I'll take the person with equal or close skills and better physical attributes. Mostly I just love how worked up thee gets about the word pure PG. It's just some made up thing to justify why he thinks Stockton is better than Magic.
Why? I hate the Lakers.
What are you talking about
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There are a lot of amazing things missing from these things.
Giving Thee a hard time. He likes to make up silly qualifications for why he thinks a worse player should be considered better by fitting into those.
I am never sure why Hakeem is always drafted in these ahead of Kareem. I think a lot of it is because a good chunk of the board remembers watching Hakeem play and it was during some of their favorite time to watch. Including myself I think very few watched much of Kareem. But stats wise Kareem is the better player. Both were Rookie of the year. Both were finals MVP 2X. Both were MVPs but Kareem also was MVP 5 more times on top of that. Kareem has more championships, more all-star games, more all defensive team, more scoring champ,and more blocks champ. Hakeem was DPOY 2X and Kareem was not. So for their career its easily Kareem by a decent amount. I think the other argument people use was Hakeem's peak was better but even that the stats favor Kareem. This is their best year:
https://www.basketball-reference.co...y2=1993&player_id2=olajuha01&idx=bbr__players
Kareem is 8 more points per game on better shooting %. He also has more rebounds and all the advanced stats prefer Kareem. Then there are the playoff stats that strongly prefer Kareem.
So why do people prefer Olajuwon? To me Kareem Abdul-Jabbar is easily the better player.
https://www.basketball-reference.co...y2=1993&player_id2=olajuha01&idx=bbr__players
Kareem is 8 more points per game on better shooting %. He also has more rebounds and all the advanced stats prefer Kareem. Then there are the playoff stats that strongly prefer Kareem.
So why do people prefer Olajuwon? To me Kareem Abdul-Jabbar is easily the better player.
That’s easy: he’s the best defender of all time (at least in the statistical era, I think it would be hard to make a quantitative or even qualitative argument for Bill Russell who is the only other on that tier and who was not half as good as Hakeem was on offense).
Hakeem also played in a tougher era and didn’t have Oscar Robertson, or Magic Johnson, or James Worthy. By the time he got any help in namesake, he had already carried a team on his back to a ring, and Clyde was a shadow of his former self by that time. Chuck was as well, besides being a sorry defensive player and perpetually unconditioned.
Different players have different strengths and weaknesses in different eras. I am not that confident Kareem had the speed to anchor a modern NBA defense at an acceptable level. Meanwhile, Hakeem not only has a Stockton-esque stranglehold on the blocks record, he could guard anyone on the floor while being strong enough to weather and best Shaq at his physical apex.
Hakeem was a great defender. I didnt watch enough to know about Kareem. He was known as an elite defender though and was on the all defensive team almost every year of his career. Hakeem has a stranglehold on the blocks record due to lack of record keeping though. Other players would likely be ahead of him. Its actually pretty safe to say if Kareem would be the all-time blocks leader if they kept that stat his first 4 years. He would only have had to average 160 blocks a year for those first 4 years. Some of those years were his peak stats years. The only time he didnt get those kind of blocks numbers were when he was in his late 30s and 40s.
Kareem did have more help but thats why he has more championships. But Kareem took over big time in a lot of those championship runs, he was also going up against multiple HOF players. He played against a lot of really good bigs. Also Clyde was 32 and was still putting up 21 ppg, 4.4 apg, and 7 rpg. He was a very good player still. Outside of 2 elite years for Clyde this is on par for most of his other seasons. It was probably his 4th best season of his career.
They did overlap but it was early for Hakeem and late for Kareem. It would have been nice to see them play each other in their peak. Kareem schooled him pretty hard early but Hakeem started to get the best of him when he was in his late 30s and 40s. Even at 39 years old Kareem was still dropping 30+ point games on him. But Hakeem was only 24 and really he peaked at 31 or so.
Looking back at that 94-95 run those Rockets had some great 3 point shooters for that era.