2020 NBA trade deadline discussion

[jom2003]

I think the Jazz will make a move. Last year, they moved Alec Burks for Kyle Korver. The year before they moved Rodney Hood for Jae Crowder. I think they'll make a similar move this year, probably Exum and one or two 2nds for someone with size, like Portis or Thad Young.

I'm just hoping whatever changes that we made, it won't be short term and last more than a season or two. DL has wasted enough assets already.

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

I'm just hoping whatever changes that we made, it won't be short term and last more than a season or two. DL has wasted enough assets already.

I think they're mostly planning around this year and next while Rudy is under contract.

 

[checkbookdoc]

Warning: I am really proud of this proposed trade.
Here is a name that I haven't seen discussed: Kyle Anderson (Grizzlies)
I think Anderson would be a great addition to our bench. He is a high IQ player who would improve the defense and help the offense as a facilitator/ball mover. Would be great to throw against the LA teams.

One benefit of trading with Memphis is that we could work with them to modify the protections on the remaining first rounder from the Conley trade so that a first rounder could be included this year. Currently the first rounder from the Conley trade is protected as follows:
2020 - conveys if 8-14
2021 - same as above
2022 - conveys if 7 or later
2023 - conveys if 4 or later
2024 - conveys if 2 or later
2025 - converts to two seconds

If we trade with Memphis, we can offer our 2020 first rounder as long as we change the Conley first to be 2022 or later (i.e., remove the 2021 contingency), as follows:
2022 - conveys if 7 or later
2023 - conveys if 4 or later
2024 - conveys if 2 or later
2025 - converts to two seconds

That being said, the trade with Memphis would be:
Jazz: Kyle Anderson
Grizzlies: Exum + 2020 First
https://tradenba.com/trades/Ygf3nnPig

Or if we could somehow swing it:
Jazz: Kyle Anderson, Jae Crowder
Grizzlies: Exum, Niang, Williams-Goss + 2020 First
https://tradenba.com/trades/wnJ_luKrZ

What do you think? Isn't this a thing of beauty!!!

 

[jom2003]

Warning: I am really proud of this proposed trade.
Here is a name that I haven't seen discussed: Kyle Anderson (Grizzlies)
I think Anderson would be a great addition to our bench. He is a high IQ player who would improve the defense and help the offense as a facilitator/ball mover. Would be great to throw against the LA teams.

One benefit of trading with Memphis is that we could work with them to modify the protections on the remaining first rounder from the Conley trade so that a first rounder could be included this year. Currently the first rounder from the Conley trade is protected as follows:
2020 - conveys if 8-14
2021 - same as above
2022 - conveys if 7 or later
2023 - conveys if 4 or later
2024 - conveys if 2 or later
2025 - converts to two seconds

If we trade with Memphis, we can offer our 2020 first rounder as long as we change the Conley first to be 2022 or later (i.e., remove the 2021 contingency), as follows:
2022 - conveys if 7 or later
2023 - conveys if 4 or later
2024 - conveys if 2 or later
2025 - converts to two seconds

That being said, the trade with Memphis would be:
Jazz: Kyle Anderson
Grizzlies: Exum + 2020 First
https://tradenba.com/trades/Ygf3nnPig

Or if we could somehow swing it:
Jazz: Kyle Anderson, Jae Crowder
Grizzlies: Exum, Niang, Williams-Goss + 2020 First
https://tradenba.com/trades/wnJ_luKrZ

What do you think? Isn't this a thing of beauty!!!

1, Kyle Anderson is not first round worthy material.
2, enough of slow, unathletic and soft players on this team already. Getting another one is just way too much

 

[Jazz]

Please jazz trade Dante for his sake. Get him away from quin. Put him in a team where he can play free and a coach that gives him confidence.

 

[Keefe]

Please jazz trade Dante for his sake. Get him away from quin. Put him in a team where he can play free and a coach that gives him confidence.

Yes! Quin doesn’t want him to succeed! He wants him to fail so he can mock Dante in front of his teammates, making him feel small. He doesn’t want to play such a great player and instead chooses to hurt the team by sitting such excellence. It’s time for Dante to be traded to the Grizz with a real coach on a real franchise with a long-standing history of excellence, so that he can finally flourish! He’s not been given enough time in Utah! It’s been only five years and they never even wanted him here! That’s why they drafted him 5th!

 

[checkbookdoc]

1, Kyle Anderson is not first round worthy material.
2, enough of slow, unathletic and soft players on this team already. Getting another one is just way too much

Maybe Anderson is not first rounder worthy, but if this is your contending window you don't worry about trading the #23 pick to make yourself better! Also, that is why you first try for Anderson and Crowder.

We need to have good defenders to throw at opposing forwards. Anderson is a really good, really long defender who would be an upgrade over anyone we can put on Kawhi, PG13, LeBron, AD, Gianis, etc. Also, I think he would be a significant offensive upgrade as well. Crowder is anything but soft and is also an upgrade over our current bench. Realistically, the only way we are going to make a significant upgrade to the bench this season is by trading with Memphis (because we can actually use a first).

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I've been bitching about that for a while... mostly just the Exum trade issue. Everyone kept throwing out how foolish it would be to let him go, and how he could be special because of 5 minutes against Harden or something. But it's cost us Crowder and Korver. If we were willing to dump him for straight cap space, which many people said would be ludicrous, you could have landed a Patrick Patterson, a JaMychal Green, an Aminu, possibly a Morris, PLUS landing a Caruso. But yeah, let's wait for Exum to finish baking.

I would say most of Jazzfanz would have preferred cap space to Exum.. there are a select few that still live on Exum Island even though it has been ravaged by hurricanes and may have been built on an active volcano.

I felt that Memphis pushed to keep Crowder instead of taking Dante's deal... it seems like that was not the case though reading the tea leaves out of our beat reporters.

Not using the MLE was weird last year. I get that we had a roster crunch and it would have put us up near the tax... but we saved some dough in the Korver trade and there were many players available that offseason in the price range.

 

[Kyoto]

He is aggressive in the off season, passive mid season. A philosophy the Jazz management have always had. Contending teams have to be built in the off season.

Didn't the Pistons trade for Rasheed Wallace mid season the year it got them to the finals? There is one similarity between this Jazz team and that Pistons team, they both have good players, but no superstar.

The Pistons made a trade to put them over the top and the Jazz need to roll the dice and see if something could work. The unfortunate part is that next offseason is a weak free agent class and teams arent willing to be as much to trade.

All that being said, the only real asset that the Jazz have is Exum, and it's hard to trade a corpse. Realistically, the Jazz have to patrol the waiver wire to make a move.

Let's face it, this team is pretty much built financially.

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[Handlogten's Heros]

Nah, it was 3mil, not 5 mil. And Ed move doesn't look good when you have a hole to fill on your PF spot. I was hoping he could play next to Rudy like the way Favs played. But he is too raw/unskilled even at the center spot, let alone playing forward. Management should've saw their development in Bradley and made better use of their MLE instead of spending it on Udoh replacement.

It was bi-annual for 3.4M... you are correct.. I just new it wasn't minimum... it is close enough.

We are wishy washy on Bradley... they keep him on the roster and pick up his option, but won't play him when Ed sucks or when we had guys out... they ran Green at the 5 instead which was something. If you do not feel he is a viable option in year 3 when you have an injury why have him. there are guys out of the league that you can bring in or g League guys. I've never been a big fan, but he's played okayish which is more than I can say for Davis at this point.

Signing Udoh as Bradley insurance last year was understandable... but you allocated resources and roster spots to 4 centers... 2 of which weren't playing. Our selection and management of Tony has been perplexing to me.

 

[jom2003]

Please jazz trade Dante for his sake. Get him away from quin. Put him in a team where he can play free and a coach that gives him confidence.

Yeah I bet Ex is faking all those injuries just so he won't have to play for Quin. Damn it Quin!

 

[jom2003]

It was bi-annual for 3.4M... you are correct.. I just new it wasn't minimum... it is close enough.

We are wishy washy on Bradley... they keep him on the roster and pick up his option, but won't play him when Ed sucks or when we had guys out... they ran Green at the 5 instead which was something. If you do not feel he is a viable option in year 3 when you have an injury why have him. there are guys out of the league that you can bring in or g League guys. I've never been a big fan, but he's played okayish which is more than I can say for Davis at this point.

Signing Udoh as Bradley insurance last year was understandable... but you allocated resources and roster spots to 4 centers... 2 of which weren't playing. Our selection and management of Tony has been perplexing to me.

Even if Bradley doesn't pan out, there are simply way too many backup center options out there to be spending the MLE on Ed. Solid player but we simply cannot afford the luxury. To address our PF hole we would have to trade him no matter how well he play. Just unfortunate that his recent poor performances have lowered his trade value.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Warning: I am really proud of this proposed trade.
Here is a name that I haven't seen discussed: Kyle Anderson (Grizzlies)
I think Anderson would be a great addition to our bench. He is a high IQ player who would improve the defense and help the offense as a facilitator/ball mover. Would be great to throw against the LA teams.

One benefit of trading with Memphis is that we could work with them to modify the protections on the remaining first rounder from the Conley trade so that a first rounder could be included this year. Currently the first rounder from the Conley trade is protected as follows:
2020 - conveys if 8-14
2021 - same as above
2022 - conveys if 7 or later
2023 - conveys if 4 or later
2024 - conveys if 2 or later
2025 - converts to two seconds

If we trade with Memphis, we can offer our 2020 first rounder as long as we change the Conley first to be 2022 or later (i.e., remove the 2021 contingency), as follows:
2022 - conveys if 7 or later
2023 - conveys if 4 or later
2024 - conveys if 2 or later
2025 - converts to two seconds

That being said, the trade with Memphis would be:
Jazz: Kyle Anderson
Grizzlies: Exum + 2020 First
https://tradenba.com/trades/Ygf3nnPig

Or if we could somehow swing it:
Jazz: Kyle Anderson, Jae Crowder
Grizzlies: Exum, Niang, Williams-Goss + 2020 First
https://tradenba.com/trades/wnJ_luKrZ

What do you think? Isn't this a thing of beauty!!!

Kyle's contract is worse than Exum's. Kyle is more useful imo… but I wouldn't add any draft compensation to get him. He's not the guy I'd go get personally, but he might see more court time for us.

 

[zyzz]

Tony Jones has a new article in The Athletic "Jazz trade primer: Is this something that can be fixed organically? Or is the solution outside of the roster?" Here's some of the relevant portions.

Jazz coach Quin Snyder has heavily staggered the starting unit with the second unit. But that’s been met with varying results. So, the Jazz have to ask themselves these questions: Is this something that can be fixed organically? Or is this something that needs to be addressed outside of the roster.

...

If the answer is the latter for the Jazz, there aren’t many avenues in doing so. Utah’s assets are mostly spoken for. The draft picks are tied up in the Conley trade. The Jazz won’t trade Donovan Mitchell or Rudy Gobert, obviously. The Jazz obviously won’t trade Conley or Bojan Bogdanovic.

In fact, if the Jazz want to make a trade, their assets probably come down to two people: Dante Exum or Royce O’Neale.

Trading O’Neale, for the Jazz, is extremely unlikely. He’s growing into one of the best wing defenders in the league, and has developed into a 40 percent 3-point shooter. He’s versatile defensively and capable of guarding four spots. And for the moment — he becomes a restricted free agent this summer — he owns one of the best contracts in the league, given his role. This Jazz team, simply put, needs O’Neale. It’s very very unlikely that he goes anywhere.

That leaves Dante Exum.

Exum is easily one of the most polarizing players in recent Jazz history. You look at the 6-foot-6 frame, the lightning speed, the explosive quickness, the passing ability and defensive acumen and you think he has the chance to be a star. Then you look at the lack of durability, the lack of a consistent jumper and the lack of a true position and you think he’s a sunk cost.

Exum is neither, but he has the ability to be a solid rotation player. Except, he’s not in Utah’s rotation and probably won’t be anytime soon outside of injury. He also makes $9 million a season, so it’s difficult to have that kind of contract on your bench.

Obviously, Exum wants to play. But he’s been professional about his plight. He’s shown up to work every day and worked at his skillset and on his game. He’s been a good teammate through the DNP-CDs. He’s a liked presence throughout the roster.

Could the Jazz trade him if desired? Possibly, but it would be difficult. He has another year on his contract, so he’s not an expiring deal. And if the former lottery pick can’t get off of a bench that’s struggling, the questions remain on whether he can help a good team.

Exum has had his moments. His playoff performance two seasons ago was wonderful. He had a stretch last season where he looked like he was living up to his immense potential. But those good moments have been fleeting. It’s not out of the realm of possibility that he simply may need a change of situation.

The Jazz are all in, given what they did this summer. That part is obvious. So, if they were to try and make a deal, maybe they call the New Orleans Pelicans and inquire about JJ Redick. You can never have enough shooting, and Redick is one of the best shooters of this generation.

But, the way the Jazz make up for a lack of depth is Conley and Mitchell and Bogdanovic getting to a place where they can account for around 60 points per night.

The bench isn’t as bad as made out to be under that pretense. Jeff Green and Davis are smart and useful veterans. Georges Niang is making shots and providing value by spacing the offense. Emmanuel Mudiay has endeared himself to the Jazz organization with his willingness to learn, defend and play the right way. But, for the second unit to work, it needs a natural scorer with it. And the only way for that to happen is Conley and Mitchell and Bogdanovic staying healthy, so one of those guys can be on the floor at all times.

And the 15th spot? Expect that to remain fluid throughout the next few months. Stanton Kidd occupied it at the beginning of the season. Juwan Morgan, a rookie forward from Indiana, is currently on the roster. If the spot comes open around deadline time, the Jazz aim to scan the buyout market and see if anything shakes loose there. That could be a more prudent way to add talent for what the Jazz have in their coffers.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Tony Jones has a new article in The Athletic "Jazz trade primer: Is this something that can be fixed organically? Or is the solution outside of the roster?" Here's some of the relevant portions.

When I read that I had visions of a DL press conference... I know JZ is the GM now but I’m not as familiar with his voice and such... in this press conference DL talks about being aggressive and how we had a lot of traction in the buyout market but it never materialized the way we wanted (will mention Joe Johnson’s buyout and how we signed him the next year). Will take some questions on why we didn’t move Dante and will mention how much progress he’s making in rehab (I mean it’s going to happen right?). Will mention how a first round exit to the Rockets is not our goal and how we will push forward and get over the hump next year.

 

[Keefe]

This is a major ****ing pipe dream but in my ideal world, we trade Exum, Davis and some bum for Morris, Memphis finally waives Iggy and we sign him, and we sign Faried.

Morris and Iggy would be two 3/4’s to slow the studs of the West.

 

[infection]

When I read that I had visions of a DL press conference... I know JZ is the GM now but I’m not as familiar with his voice and such... in this press conference DL talks about being aggressive and how we had a lot of traction in the buyout market but it never materialized the way we wanted (will mention Joe Johnson’s buyout and how we signed him the next year). Will take some questions on why we didn’t move Dante and will mention how much progress he’s making in rehab (I mean it’s going to happen right?). Will mention how a first round exit to the Rockets is not our goal and how we will push forward and get over the hump next year.

"Yeah, sure. That's a fair question. And of course we have to look at ourselves and hold ourselves accountable -- that's part of the position and, hey, it comes with the territory of what we do. But when we look at what was going on in the league, the moves that were made, the moves that weren't made, the moves that were almost made -- or should I say rumored to be made -- when we look at all of that, and then we look at our current group -- guys we constructed a roster around, guys who play hard, guys who come to work every day not focused on the paycheck, guys who are dedicated to themselves and other -- guys who are true professionals in every sense of the word -- we take a look at those guys and we have to ask ourselves -- myself, Justin, David Morway, Quin, the Miller family, etc. -- we have to ask ourselves what can we do to take this team from where it's at and move it forward. That becomes the pressing question. And there are always many late nights. We discuss things. Heck, just the other day Justin and David got into a big discussion over Chinese food over something one of our video specialists who's been with us for the season had noticed on the way teams are defending us coming out of high screens, you know things like that where these guys are living and breathing the game, we're faced with a number of decisions that will affect the course of this franchise years down the road. So we look at the history of what makes Jazz basketball, dating back to Frank Layden and Sam Battistone, and Sam's Pancake shop... you know, a lot of people don't really know this, but Sam used to sell a pancake at Sambo's called the big cheese. Now it didn't really have cheese in it, but that kind of gives you some kind of measure of knowing who that guy was. Carry that forward and the great leadership we have under the Miller family, myself having the huge blessing of being able to learn under Kevin O'Connor, and to have so many great minds in the office, that we took a look at where we were at, we surveyed the landscape, and yeah we had been offered some very interesting names -- some guys that there may have been a lot of excitement for -- but when we continued to look at ourselves, our identity, what made our style of play unique, and we look at the chemistry and changes that happened this offseason -- and it was a big change, this wasn't small -- when we take a look at all these variables and when we ask ourselves those questions, we realized as a group -- at that time -- that we felt where we were at that it was only fair to this group of guys to give them everything they needed to succeed and we didn't want to prematurely... you know.. prematurely make changes and compromise ourselves just because we weren't really serious about investing the time that's required to build a team of a championship caliber, like a San Antonio, per se, and I genuinely believe that, as you look at these guys, that it's a huge testament to who these guys are -- not just as players but as people -- to their dedication, to their hard work, to them really coming in every day and buying in to Quin's system. We just felt that this was the best we could do for these guys and a great opportunity not just for the franchise but also for the city of Salt Lake and the whole state. These are great guys and I'm privileged to be among them."

/Dennis speak

 

[zyzz]

I hope if we don't make any moves, the FO just says "we're gonna ride with who we came with and we believe these guys will put it together." And not "well we tried to make moves and couldn't get it done."

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

"Yeah, sure. That's a fair question. And of course we have to look at ourselves and hold ourselves accountable -- that's part of the position and, hey, it comes with the territory of what we do. But when we look at what was going on in the league, the moves that were made, the moves that weren't made, the moves that were almost made -- or should I say rumored to be made -- when we look at all of that, and then we look at our current group -- guys we constructed a roster around, guys who play hard, guys who come to work every day not focused on the paycheck, guys who are dedicated to themselves and other -- guys who are true professionals in every sense of the word -- we take a look at those guys and we have to ask ourselves -- myself, Justin, David Morway, Quin, the Miller family, etc. -- we have to ask ourselves what can we do to take this team from where it's at and move it forward. That becomes the pressing question. And there are always many late nights. We discuss things. Heck, just the other day Justin and David got into a big discussion over Chinese food over something one of our video specialists who's been with us for the season had noticed on the way teams are defending us coming out of high screens, you know things like that where these guys are living and breathing the game, we're faced with a number of decisions that will affect the course of this franchise years down the road. So we look at the history of what makes Jazz basketball, dating back to Frank Layden and Sam Battistone, and Sam's Pancake shop... you know, a lot of people don't really know this, but Sam used to sell a pancake at Sambo's called the big cheese. Now it didn't really have cheese in it, but that kind of gives you some kind of measure of knowing who that guy was. Carry that forward and the great leadership we have under the Miller family, myself having the huge blessing of being able to learn under Kevin O'Connor, and to have so many great minds in the office, that we took a look at where we were at, we surveyed the landscape, and yeah we had been offered some very interesting names -- some guys that there may have been a lot of excitement for -- but when we continued to look at ourselves, our identity, what made our style of play unique, and we look at the chemistry and changes that happened this offseason -- and it was a big change, this wasn't small -- when we take a look at all these variables and when we ask ourselves those questions, we realized as a group -- at that time -- that we felt where we were at that it was only fair to this group of guys to give them everything they needed to succeed and we didn't want to prematurely... you know.. prematurely make changes and compromise ourselves just because we weren't really serious about investing the time that's required to build a team of a championship caliber, like a San Antonio, per se, and I genuinely believe that, as you look at these guys, that it's a huge testament to who these guys are -- not just as players but as people -- to their dedication, to their hard work, to them really coming in every day and buying in to Quin's system. We just felt that this was the best we could do for these guys and a great opportunity not just for the franchise but also for the city of Salt Lake and the whole state. These are great guys and I'm privileged to be among them."

/Dennis speak

Funny thing is when he says it with his cadence and accent I believe he said something significant. there is a lot of money out there for guys that can string these kinds of word salads together.

Nice work.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

A guy I had hoped would get cut that I would have interest in is Christian Wood in Detroit. I think there have been maturity issues (think Whiteside when he was bouncing around). The dude is big, athletic, and has added some skill... can play 4/5 and might add a body to throw at AD in the playoffs.

He's been quite good in Detroit this year, but they don't have his full bird rights...not sure how well he functions on a high performing team... not sure how invested they are in keeping him or where that team is headed long-term. The PG position has been a rough spot for years... maybe we swap exum for Snell and Wood... saves them some money and gets them someone more interesting than Tony Snell. I can't imagine they'd part with him at this point and I'm sure we'd have to add a second or they might have interest in one of our prospects... If Wood continues his strong play I could see him getting MLE type money this offseason... if they retain Drummond they would have like $70M tied up in their frontcourt already.