2020 NBA trade deadline discussion

[framer]

There may be some interest in Ed Davis by Dallas, considering. They could give us a second and pay for him with exception money from the Harrison Barnes Trade. I'd do that all day. It would probably get Davis on the court as well.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

There may be some interest in Ed Davis by Dallas, considering. They could give us a second and pay for him with exception money from the Harrison Barnes Trade. I'd do that all day. It would probably get Davis on the court as well.

If they want they can flip the GSW 2nd and Courtney Lee's expiring for Tristan all day. Unless they want to keep Ed on his cheap deal for next year that'd be a much better option I think. They could just do the exception for Ed and I think we'd do it.

 

[jom2003]

If they want they can flip the GSW 2nd and Courtney Lee's expiring for Tristan all day. Unless they want to keep Ed on his cheap deal for next year that'd be a much better option I think. They could just do the exception for Ed and I think we'd do it.

I doubt the team wanna burn any more 2nd rounders at this point though. Especially Ed's contract probably isn't considered nearly as "bad" to most teams that aren't on any kinda championship timeline or cap restraint. Worst case scenario we trade Ed for some rights to international players that would never come over. It'd be a major ovekill if we have to throw in 2nd rounders just to get rid of Ed's contract.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I doubt the team wanna burn any more 2nd rounders at this point though. Especially Ed's contract probably isn't considered nearly as "bad" to most teams that aren't on any kinda championship timeline or cap restraint. Worst case scenario we trade Ed for some rights to international players that would never come over. It'd be a major ovekill if we have to throw in 2nd rounders just to get rid of Ed's contract.

I think you are right... if we want to move Ed’s salary we will be able to do it next year... lots of bad teams will have space and won’t find enough young free agents or vets on one year deals... someone may take him for nothing or if he had a mini revival at some point someone may through in a tiny asset. If we need to clear a roster spot we can move Mudiay somewhere or cut NWG.

If someone wants to send an expiring I’d do it though... just in case nothing else materializes.

Cleveland, Detroit, Atlanta, Charlotte all will have a lot of space and might want Ed to fill out the roster... he doesn’t cut into our space at all because we are using the MLE or BAE... just want to duck the tax if possible.

 

[idiot]

He fouls way less than TB... and he gets his money's worth every time.

I'm going to go ahead and say Len is our most realistic "maybe there is something there or he can catch lightening in a bottle" guy. He has a streaky three point shot... shot 50% one month this year... shot 40% after the AS break last year... which is the same as Baynes. He's a tall human who can still give us the offensive rebounding that TB gives.

This year, Len has produced offensive boards at about only 55% of the rate that Tony Bradley does (TB is also higher on D-boards). Len does some things better, of course, but this isn't something where he even approaches Bradley (For comparison, Vonleh's rebounding rate this year is just a little ahead of Len's).

I read a PeachtreeHoops article from September bemoaning Len's terrible hands. The most representative sign, they argued, was that Len frequently would just bat the ball back on the offensive boards, usually with very little touch, because while he could reach the ball with his size, he's learned that he often can't come away with it cleanly. There was also some dissatisfaction with his ability to catch/finish on the pick and roll. (Nevertheless, Len has improved his near-the-rim shooting percentages greatly this season, since that article was written, so maybe this critique is not as applicable as it once was.) The most amusing thing I found on PeachtreeHoops when looking around for thoughts about Len was a couple of commenters wishing they could have a young big like the Jazz's Tony Bradley.

btw, it could be argued that the Jazz NEED a high-rebounding center given their deficiencies on the board elsewhere throughout the roster. Maybe this was the primary reason the Jazz moved on from Udoh in favor of Davis this past off-season (Udoh only rebounds at 57% of Davis's rate for his career).

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

This year, Len has produced offensive boards at about only 55% of the rate that Tony Bradley does (TB is also higher on D-boards). Len does some things better, of course, but this isn't something where he even approaches Bradley (For comparison, Vonleh's rebounding rate this year is just a little ahead of Len's).

I read a PeachtreeHoops article from September bemoaning Len's terrible hands. The most representative sign, they argued, was that Len frequently would just bat the ball back on the offensive boards, usually with very little touch, because while he could reach the ball with his size, he's learned that he often can't come away with it cleanly. There was also some dissatisfaction with his ability to catch/finish on the pick and roll. (Nevertheless, Len has improved his near-the-rim shooting percentages greatly this season, since that article was written, so maybe this critique is not as applicable as it once was.) The most amusing thing I found on PeachtreeHoops when looking around for thoughts about Len was a couple of commenters wishing they could have a young big like the Jazz's Tony Bradley.

btw, it could be argued that the Jazz NEED a high-rebounding center given their deficiencies on the board elsewhere throughout the roster. Maybe this was the primary reason the Jazz moved on from Udoh in favor of Davis this past off-season (Udoh only rebounds at 57% of Davis's rate for his career).

That's interesting... I mean we have a few weeks to see what's there... if he sucks in the post season and we have to go centerless or back to Ed that might be an option as good as some of these other guys.

Let's see how he does in some of these important games.

 

[framer]

This year, Len has produced offensive boards at about only 55% of the rate that Tony Bradley does (TB is also higher on D-boards). Len does some things better, of course, but this isn't something where he even approaches Bradley (For comparison, Vonleh's rebounding rate this year is just a little ahead of Len's).

I read a PeachtreeHoops article from September bemoaning Len's terrible hands. The most representative sign, they argued, was that Len frequently would just bat the ball back on the offensive boards, usually with very little touch, because while he could reach the ball with his size, he's learned that he often can't come away with it cleanly. There was also some dissatisfaction with his ability to catch/finish on the pick and roll. (Nevertheless, Len has improved his near-the-rim shooting percentages greatly this season, since that article was written, so maybe this critique is not as applicable as it once was.) The most amusing thing I found on PeachtreeHoops when looking around for thoughts about Len was a couple of commenters wishing they could have a young big like the Jazz's Tony Bradley.

btw, it could be argued that the Jazz NEED a high-rebounding center given their deficiencies on the board elsewhere throughout the roster. Maybe this was the primary reason the Jazz moved on from Udoh in favor of Davis this past off-season (Udoh only rebounds at 57% of Davis's rate for his career).

I think it is mainly because Udoh isn't really an NBA player and has no upside to become one.

 

[NUMBERICA]

I think it is mainly because Udoh isn't really an NBA player and has no upside to become one.

Udoh is an elite defender and had we not had Favors playing backup we would’ve been reminded of that.

He is not a good player on offense though.

 

[framer]

Udoh is an elite defender and had we not had Favors playing backup we would’ve been reminded of that.

He is not a good player on offense though.

How many elite NBA defenders do you think the Bejing Ducks employ?

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

If TB is this effective in the playoffs can you survive with him on the court for 10 minutes a game... does he create a mismatch with any team because they can't keep him off the glass?

His numbers are very Kanterish… if he can learn to be a mild deterrent at the rim without fouling all the time maybe he's our guy... Enes survived last year. IDK... we just can't have stints where he is super overwhelmed... that **** costs you games.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

In looking at the FA list and teams with space... next year's FA is going to be weird. Too much cap space with terrible teams... no real young free agents... Like I think Bogdon could get like 4/90ish from the Hawks or Cavs... gonna be a lot of deals like the Knicks handed out this offseason... big one year amounts for vets.

I think MLE will get you something... it will be weird though.

 

[NAOS]

If TB is this effective in the playoffs can you survive with him on the court for 10 minutes a game... does he create a mismatch with any team because they can't keep him off the glass?

His numbers are very Kanterish… if he can learn to be a mild deterrent at the rim without fouling all the time maybe he's our guy... Enes survived last year. IDK... we just can't have stints where he is super overwhelmed... that **** costs you games.

Very debatable that Kanter survived last year. He definitely cost the Blazers a game. Probably even 2. There were many UGLY stretches.