2020 NBA trade deadline discussion

[Handlogten's Heros]

Bingo.

Absolutely kills me that we have this weapon that has proved to be very strong, the Joe & Rudy PnR, and we just... don't use it! What the everliving ****?!

Mike didn't just wake up and now he's bad at basketball... they will figure it out... it needs time... 50 games ain't enough.

It's just funny Mike can't throw the lob pass because he is small and isn't a CP level passer... he ain't gonna figure it out... the pocket bounce pass doesn't work near as well with Rudy. So... ITS FLOATER SZN!

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

That is why I would not overspend on keeping Clarkson this summer. If we can get someobe like Christian Wood with Clarkson's money, we have to go for it.

Whether or not we sign JC or not we have the MLE to spend and nothing more. So you keep him unless it gets crazy. I think he gets a similar deal to Royce, but others think its too high.

Our max offer to any free agent is 4/43M... which honestly should be enough to land Wood. Give him a player option on the last year. Saw some Pistons stuff and I don't think they got a big second round pick type offer for him. I don't think we'd make that kind of offer for him... we won't take that much risk.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Bingo.

Absolutely kills me that we have this weapon that has proved to be very strong, the Joe & Rudy PnR, and we just... don't use it! What the everliving ****?!

I also feel like that weapon gets 3/4 people going and not just those two... if they overcommit then Joe won't hesitate to fire the blender up.

 

[jom2003]

Whether or not we sign JC or not we have the MLE to spend and nothing more. So you keep him unless it gets crazy. I think he gets a similar deal to Royce, but others think its too high.

Our max offer to any free agent is 4/43M... which honestly should be enough to land Wood. Give him a player option on the last year. Saw some Pistons stuff and I don't think they got a big second round pick type offer for him. I don't think we'd make that kind of offer for him... we won't take that much risk.

Depends on how well Wood plays for the remainder of this season. If he explodes in Drummond's absence, I can see him getting a 4yr 60mil+ type of deal, similar to what JV got from Memphis

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Depends on how well Wood plays for the remainder of this season. If he explodes in Drummond's absence, I can see him getting a 4yr 60mil+ type of deal, similar to what JV got from Memphis

Yeah its tough to predict... other times I'm shocked that guys get so little... a small sample size and his early maturity issues (probably way overblown... dude was like 20) might still hurt his value. Uncertainty can drive prices up or down. It would also depend on if he likes Detroit because that team is about to go through an ugly re-build, is really cold, has super low attendance.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Sometimes guys like Bjelica go for quite a bit less than they should/could in a perfectly efficient market... and then sometimes guys like Terrence Ross get way the hell overpaid.

 

[LogGrad98]

I also feel like that weapon gets 3/4 people going and not just those two... if they overcommit then Joe won't hesitate to fire the blender up.

Agreed. How many times have we seen Joe do the look-off fake to Rudy with the layup after in the last 5 games. Maybe twice, thrice? Not enough.

 

[SCS]

Not really... I said our record against good teams is bad... you said we lost to some bad teams in the 0-5 stretch... that isn't any better. How a team performs against +.500 teams is an indicator of playoff success.

The lineup top 7 that twitter person put out there is gobbly gook. Here is what I am pointing to...

- The starting lineup of DM, Joe, Royce, Bojan, Rudy has a +18.3 net rating... one of the best lineups in the league.
- Sub in Mike for Royce in that lineup - it is a +2.6
- Sub out DM and sub in Mike - its +10.4 (still good but worse than the other alignments).
- Take Joe out and sub Royce back in and its a +13.6

So yes... these alignments are all positive... we've chosen the worst one by far to be our starting lineup because "it gives us the most upside" and "its Mike effing Conley". Starting does matter because those lineups will get more run on a night to night basis and when you have to work things around to get to your best lineup it limits how much time spent on the floor.

So the top 7 is still good, but there are some clear fit issues and merging that much data together isn't useful. It is also hard to find lineups featuring Rudy that are negative. Its like me saying that between me and Michael Jordan we have 6 nba championships. Of the top 7 guys, Rudy has the worst +- with Mike. It also ignores that other holes on the roster are causing big issues that give away the separation those guys create... it also ignores that while rotations shrink in the playoffs that unless guys have defensive versatility you can't just throw them out there and make it work.

We aren't trash... we are good. We are not a contender... those top 7 being great only reiterates my belief that we needed to upgrade the 8th and 9th players.

But yeah we are a contender... we can beat anyone... even though we don't.

Who are the contenders in your opinion?

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Who are the contenders in your opinion?

True contenders...

I'd say both LA teams, Milwaukee are true contenders. There is another group knocking at the door that if everything broke right maybe it happens... I'd say Houston, Miami, Toronto... maybe Denver. Then there is a tier below that with Utah, Philly, Boston that has some roster issues... may beat a couple teams in the playoffs because of matchup advantages, but would lose to 3-4 teams because of matchup issues and will surely face those teams at some point.

I mean if season ends today we get Houston without home court advantage, win that then you get the Lakers without home court advantage, then maybe you get the Clips or Denver... all of those teams create some issues for us. Can we beat them on any given night in the regular season... for sure. 4 out of 7 times without homecourt... nah.

We aren't trash... we are very good... with very solvable problems... that we don't seem to want to solve.

 

[hgb]

Before this trade, I would have rated the GS front office as the best I've ever seen for what they've done the last 5-6 years. The Russell move had me shaking my head but at least they got something for Durant. Russell obviously didn't fit. Now, they gamble on Wiggins. Interesting times.

Sometimes, the best move is no move. Like, don't go get Mike Conley.

TBH, I'm not surprised that GSW wants to try to roll with Wiggins. He might not be a great fit, but they need to gamble with Steph's next years. Klay is coming off an injury, Curry's being held out tanking, Green looks like a shell of himself, but he'll at the very least be back as a solid defender. If they can make Wiggins be their offensive weapon when Klay and Steph sits, they could be good.
Also, they know DLo won't make Minny good, so they'll pick up another lottery pick.

 

[hgb]

Skal for nothing. I get that it was probably a financial move but that’s the kind of guy we could use.

I don't see how we could. He's not a difference maker on this team IMHO. He'll have the odd game where he looks great, but so does Georges.

 

[hgb]

Keeping Ed is just inexcusable

That implies some team wanted to give up anything for Ed. Do you think we should've given up assets to dump him? In that case I'd rather cut him later for e.g. Booker.