2020 Presidential election

[str8line]

I believe this already happens. I believe they call those states "swing States"

Why campaign in a state where you already know you will get all the electoral votes or you will get zero of them?

I mean why would a republican or Democrat campaign in Utah under the electoral college system? They already know the outcome of those electoral college votes.

Now if it went by popular vote then both candidates should campaign in Utah to get as many total votes as possible.

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I'm kind of pissed I get no burn for my vote.

 

[Deleted member 365]

I believe this already happens. I believe they call those states "swing States"

Why campaign in a state where you already know you will get all the electoral votes or you will get zero of them?

I mean why would a republican or Democrat campaign in Utah under the electoral college system? They already know the outcome of those electoral college votes.

Now if it went by popular vote then both candidates should campaign in Utah to get as many total votes as possible.

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And it’s only getting worse. The 2020 election is completely and 100 percent dependent on what happens to the Great Lakes states. Whoever wins Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin will win the presidency. Swing states are becoming fewer in number and literally those are the only “swing states” that matter.

 

[Zombie]

Warren is not the type of person you'd want to have a beer

Idk, she seems like she'd be fun.

 

[candrew]

I believe this already happens. I believe they call those states "swing States"

Why campaign in a state where you already know you will get all the electoral votes or you will get zero of them?

As I said in my post you'd get rid of the winner take all component of the electoral college and make it proportional to the number of popular votes that you receive. This makes it more competitive and the smaller states keep some sort of representation.

More folks live in California than the 20 least populated states combined. There are probably a dozen counties in California that have more people than the entire state of Wyoming or Vermont - no one is going to spend time and money in those states without an electoral college system.

 

[Zombie]

Here's the thing, even "deep red" Utah had nearly 30% of the population vote for Hillary last election. If a Democrat earns five percent more, or a Republican five percent less it's completely irrelevant under the electoral college. Under a national popular vote system this changes things. Now states like Utah actually matter, if a candidate can get a couple percentage points better across the Rocky Mountains for instance, or the south, it will add up to a difference that could swing the election.

 

[Zombie]

More folks live in California than the 20 least populated states combined. There are probably a dozen counties in California that have more people than the entire state of Wyoming or Vermont - no one is going to spend time and money in those states without an electoral college system

They aren't spending time in them now, for the same reason. There's nothing you could do, short of giving these states even more ridiculously outsized influence to change that.

If you stop considering "states" as the focal point of presidential elections and instead focus on individuals and communities, you'll see that this distinction between states like California, or Wyoming doesn't really matter. There are millions of people living outside LA or San Diego that have quite a bit in common with the your average Wyomingite, and the political messaging will speak to them both even if the candidates themselves don't end up doing a rally in Cheyenne or whatever.

 

[fishonjazz]

As I said in my post you'd get rid of the winner take all component of the electoral college and make it proportional to the number of popular votes that you receive. This makes it more competitive and the smaller states keep some sort of representation.

More folks live in California than the 20 least populated states combined. There are probably a dozen counties in California that have more people than the entire state of Wyoming or Vermont - no one is going to spend time and money in those states without an electoral college system.

Yes they would or at least they should. With the popular vote you can't win the state of California or a county in California. Each person and vote is an individual. All votes are equal. If you spend all your time and money in California only to win votes from 49% of the state then you sure as **** are gonna need all the votes you can get from the places with low population.

Plus the popular vote has the added benefit of getting more people to vote. (Though I'm sure some candidates prefer less voters)

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[fishonjazz]

Here's the thing, even "deep red" Utah had nearly 30% of the population vote for Hillary last election. If a Democrat earns five percent more, or a Republican five percent less it's completely irrelevant under the electoral college. Under a national popular vote system this changes things. Now states like Utah actually matter, if a candidate can get a couple percentage points better across the Rocky Mountains for instance, or the south, it will add up to a difference that could swing the election.

Exactly. The arguments that get made in favor of the electoral college lack common sense.

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[Gameface]

Bernie is a ****ing kook, Warren is not the type of person you'd want to have a beer with and Biden is ancient. Most importantly none of them will come out on top of a fight with Trump. Mayor Pete would handle Trump and people might end up liking him.

You keep pushing this and I think you're wrong, and since I generally like your posts it gets under my skin to hear you say this over and over.

You don't have to take Trump on on his terms. You don't have to be some big strong charismatic guy to stand toe to toe with him. You're giving him credit he doesn't deserve. He is none of the things you seem to ascribe to him. He's the emperor who has no clothes... it's his supporters who imagine the clothes onto him. It's his supporters who define his strengths, which are largely a ****ing illusion.

Warren is going to do really well in the general. Warren is going to be the next President.

I'll take any number of $20 bets people want to throw my way. Warren is going to be our next President.

 

[JazzMan4Life]

After watching the 3rd debate I feel pretty sure that Mayor Pete is kind of hanging back a little. On purpose.

There are a lot of ways that he could be viewed as a solution to the distinction between the Warren-Sanders and Biden images of the party. But it would be smart to let that distinction ripen further, for now.

And, I feel like he has verve, argumentation-wise, that he is keeping in the corral for the right time, when the field thins out a bit. I believe he has the fund-raising to get to the top-5. That’ll be his time to shoot for the head of the pack.

Are you still around?

 

[JazzMan4Life]

I love how pro electoral college people think:

A. All citizens in populated states vote
B. All votes go for one party.
C. Because of this, votes from populated states should count 10x+ less than votes from less populated states. State size matters more than population size. The majority is now held hostage to the minority.

Other than B. I doubt that is how pro electoral college people think.

 

[JazzMan4Life]

I believe this already happens. I believe they call those states "swing States"

Why campaign in a state where you already know you will get all the electoral votes or you will get zero of them?

I mean why would a republican or Democrat campaign in Utah under the electoral college system? They already know the outcome of those electoral college votes.

Now if it went by popular vote then both candidates should campaign in Utah to get as many total votes as possible.

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Candidates would still pay little attention to places like Utah because the opportunity to gain votes would be greater in places where there is a higher poplulation.