2020 Presidential election

The Thriller

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What's the part of their platform you consider "far left"?

I've asked him that about 3 times in different ways.

The left has taken over BLM. Whatever... "The left" means. I've still yet to learn how BLM has changed since it has been taken over by "the left." It seems remarkably similar to the BLM organization I became familiar with two years ago. If anything, it has become more mainstream and less radical. And even then, I'm not so sure their rhetoric has changed so much as mainstream opinions have bent to understand better the plight of POC.
 

One Brow

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You can ramrod it through the house. But there’s no way in hell it’ll pass the senate. Even if we retake the majority. You need 2/3rds to pass M4A in the Senate unless you blow up the filibuster, right?

Polls show that people support elements of M4A but not all of it in its entirety. Part of that resistance could be the disinformation behind M4A too... but part also might come from our own base, white union Workers.
I beleive the fraction is 3/5, which is why we have the ACA (exactly 60 Democratic Senators at that time).
 

Jeditiger

Hoppy Goodness
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If Dems take the Senate they need to kill the filibuster right off the bat, then grant statehood to D.C. and Puerto Rico. That'll be 4 more senators, likely Dem, that can serve as a buffer for them to get other things like MC4A done without having to immediately worry about electoral consequences. And it will be a major rebuke to McConnell and force the GOP to finally (hopefully) moderate itself and purge the Trumpists and their ilk.
 

One Brow

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1. I don't care how things are changing. She has been indefensible on the issue of justice. She's way behind the ball at best and is disgustingly bad at worst.

2. I have no idea if she smoked weed in college. I do know her story is factually impossible do to album release dates which means she is full of ****.

3. NO!!!!! She does not have a great background in the criminal justice system. She has a background but it is far from great.

4. She is not progressive. Not until she needs to be progressive in order to bend the knee to whomever is controlling her.

5. IDGAF if she is a woman or a trans or a he/she or a lady boy. I do not give a rats *** if she is black, jewish, Mexican, Mediterranean, gypsy, Jew, whatever.
1. Absolutely, as most centrist Democrats were for a couple of decades. Fair point.
2. I don't know how old you are, but I'm a couple of years older than her. I guarantee you, at our age, if you think you can know exactly what you listed to in college instead of just after it, without actually knowing the dates, you're kidding yourself.
3. She has an effective and competent background.
4. Possibly not. People seem to think Harris the Senator was very different from Harris the DA.
5. Cool.
 

gandalfe

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2. I have no idea if she smoked weed in college. I do know her story is factually impossible do to album release dates which means she is full of ****.
She never actually claimed that:

“Have you ever smoked?” Charlamagne Tha God, one of the show’s hosts, asked Harris, concerning her history with marijuana. “I have. And I inhaled,” Harris replied. “It was a long time ago,” she chuckled.

Later in the interview, co-host DJ Envy asked Harris, “What does Kamala Harris listen to?” Before Harris had a moment to answer, Charlamagne Tha God quickly asked her what she was listening to when she had smoked marijuana in college.

Harris briefly laughed at the quick exchange, which caused a stir in the famously raucous recording studio. She then made eye contact with DJ Envy, who had offered Snoop Dogg as a possible artist during the crosstalk.

“Oh my goodness. Oh yeah, definitely Snoop. Yeah, Tupac, for sure,” Harris said.

Audio alone of the interaction leads to uncertainty about the question to which Harris was responding, whether DJ Envy or Charlamagne Tha God’s question about what Harris listened to in college. Video of the exchange, however, shows Harris’ body language is clearly responding to DJ Envy, avoiding eye contact with Charlamagne Tha God while she does so.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...tray-kamala-harris-radio-comments/3352339001/
 

Ron Mexico

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Fair enough, thanks for the clarification. I'll cross that off my list of things I hate about her.

Butttttt, her insistence on sending marijuana users to prison despite "allegedly" smoking marijuana herself is bull ****. So she is still on the wrong side of history.
Doing something illegal and promoting it are very different. I've done illegal things that wouldn't want others to do and would try to prosecute them.

Harris is pro legalization and pushing for that as well as expunged records.

She did have a lot of arrests during her time she did have very few possession arrests serve jail time.

She does have a lot of weed advocates as well since her platform is the most pro candidate now.
 

The Thriller

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Doing something illegal and promoting it are very different. I've done illegal things that wouldn't want others to do and would try to prosecute them.

Harris is pro legalization and pushing for that as well as expunged records.

She did have a lot of arrests during her time she did have very few possession arrests serve jail time.

She does have a lot of weed advocates as well since her platform is the most pro candidate now.
Why do I get the feeling that @Beer is just going to maintain his same feelings towards Harris no matter what?
 

Beer

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Why do I get the feeling that @Beer is just going to maintain his same feelings towards Harris no matter what?
Possibly. I think the difference is I'm looking at what she has done. And a lot, well most, of it has been bad. And you are looking at what she says she will do. Which I don't believe.

So yeah, I guess talk is cheap.
 

Avery

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If Dems take the Senate and Presidency, look for Breyer and RBG to decide to retire so they can lock in the liberal arm for another 30 years. I don't trust any president D or R in this day and age to nominate true moderates.

Merrick Garland was a centrist for all intents and purposes; McConnell is just a d-bag.
 

silesian

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Even Rasmussen which skews for Trump only has PA as a tie. Overall it’s + 4.2 Biden. That’s shaky?

Biden is up 5 pts in Arizona and Trump has suspended ads there for the next few weeks. Texas is within the margin of error so that’ll force Trump to spend money in a state that should be safe. Florida is interesting as many former felons will be eligible to vote and trump has been attacking mail in voting (which has historically been an advantage for republicans in Florida).

The economy isn’t going to get better this fall as the pandemic gets worse. More people will lose their homes and will blame Trump. Trump will continue to do stupid things and devastating books/leaks from people like Michael Cohen and military leaders who served in his cabinet won’t stop. I really don’t see why Biden won’t maintain his lead or even expand it between now and Election Day.
Hope you are right. Color me skeptical
 

silesian

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The DNC deserves so much ****. But while we discuss the dismantling of the parties and the special interests, let’s take note of how it took just one election to completely capture the Republican Party. One.
The GOP is different but not so sure that the same special interests are not still in charge.
 

Beer

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Doing something illegal and promoting it are very different. I've done illegal things that wouldn't want others to do and would try to prosecute them.

Harris is pro legalization and pushing for that as well as expunged records.

She did have a lot of arrests during her time she did have very few possession arrests serve jail time.

She does have a lot of weed advocates as well since her platform is the most pro candidate now.
Where was her pro stance when it mattered? When she was DA of California? Or did it just pop up when she needed it to swing a few votes in her favor?
 

The Thriller

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If Dems take the Senate and Presidency, look for Breyer and RBG to decide to retire so they can lock in the liberal arm for another 30 years. I don't trust any president D or R in this day and age to nominate true moderates.

Merrick Garland was a centrist for all intents and purposes; McConnell is just a d-bag.
Sotomayor, Kagan, and Garland were slightly left of center. I remember obama being blasted for going so moderate and not appointing more of an ideologue. So do think Biden’s picks will be far more to the left than Obama’s? What do Democrats have that resembles anything like the Federalist Society? Even if they wanted to push ideologues, I don’t think they can because there just isn’t an organization for it, Unlike republicans.

Honestly, considering the state of voting rights, prison reform, and citizens united, shouldn’t we want a far more left leaning SC? Or do we think voting rights and citizens united will just work themselves out?
 
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The Thriller

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Hope you are right. Color me skeptical
I am.

Just look today! Another huge scandal with Bob Woodward’s book about how Trump downplayed the virus. Every week we’re going to have stuff like this out there. All the while this virus continues to destroy this country. His campaign is doomed.
 

Ron Mexico

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Where was her pro stance when it mattered? When she was DA of California? Or did it just pop up when she needed it to swing a few votes in her favor?
DA's don't make laws, so her stance at that point is irrelevant. That's why I said she had high arrests during that time (but this part is related to her job) she had very few people serve jail time.

Besides it's not gaining her votes right but, most those types who care about this won't vote Trump anyways. It might be that she has changed her stance or now that she can push something she is. Or, maybe she is representing what people want. Public opinion is in favor of that so she is pro that.
 

silesian

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Imagine bragging about a Nobel Prize nomination.

one person decided to nominate him and Trump idiots go wild.

He lost two years ago.

he’s retweeting everyone who mentions it.

Obama inferiority complex

a fragile insecure soul.

 
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