2020 Presidential election

JazzyFresh

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You can't handle the link.
Points for being clever but I have a hard time understanding why you just can't just come out and say it doesn't exist. You remind me of Biden telling his own voters that you have no right to know if he's going to pack the supreme court when we all know he is. With you, we all know you fell for a tabloid and lied. Great minds...
 

LogGrad98

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Points for being clever but I have a hard time understanding why you just can't just come out and say it doesn't exist. You remind me of Biden telling his own voters that you have no right to know if he's going to pack the supreme court when we all know he is. With you, we all know you fell for a tabloid and lied. Great minds...
I don't know why you can't just come out and go look at the link already provided.


Or is it because you can't handle the link? Too busy supporting Trump and cheering on his *****-grabbing.
 

JazzyFresh

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Talk about corruption. It's in writing and you guys will deny it yet push literal lies from anonymous sources all while your party actually paid Steele for Russian Propaganda.(all facts and in writing). @Red told me this was fake because bazooka news told him. This is what twitter is hiding from you. It's what Communist China does too.

“One email, dated May 13, 2017, and obtained by Fox News, includes a discussion of ‘remuneration packages’ for six people in a business deal with a Chinese energy firm. The email appeared to identify Biden as ‘Chair / Vice Chair depending on agreement with CEFC,’ in an apparent reference to now-bankrupt CEFC China Energy Co,” Fox News reported. “The email includes a note that ‘Hunter has some office expectations he will elaborate.’ A proposed equity split references ’20’ for ‘H’ and ’10 held by H for the big guy?’ with no further details. Fox News spoke to one of the people who was copied on the email, who confirmed its authenticity.”
 

Red

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@Red told me this was fake because bazooka news told him.
Our intelligence agencies warned Trump that the Russians were feeding disinformation to Rudy. Trump’s reply was to literally shrug his shoulders and say “that’s Rudy”. Trump had no interest in dismissing Rudy if he felt it would help him.
That can’t be surprising, can it? General Kelly: "The depths of his dishonesty is just astounding to me. The dishonesty, the transactional nature of every relationship, though it's more pathetic than anything else. He is the most flawed person I have ever met in my life.”

I’ve been looking at the totality of this weak October surprise. Bazooka simply provided a decent summary for you. Believe whatever turns you on, I just find Rudy the next to least credible source for reliable info in our country. Trump being the least credible, of course.

Their October surprise is simply too late. Maybe the lame duck Senate can open hearings after the election, or, if they retain the Senate, next year.

But right now, with Trump telling his rallies that “we’ve turned the corner” on Covid, while, at the same time, cases and hospitalizations are up in many states, I believe enough people can see through Trump’s bs on Covid, (and Covid is a far more important issue to the American people, 22 million of whom have already voted in what will most likely be the biggest turnout in any of our lifetimes), to really make the Rudy nonsense of little importance at this point. I mean, Trump hoped for so much more. Obamagate? No charges. Durham report? Will not be released before the election. So Trump is left with Rudy and Bannon, and the Chinese billionaire upon whose yacht Bannon was recently arrested. I don’t see any reason to find those dudes credible at this point, but the whole affair is a desperation toss at the chalkboard.

Lol, Rudy, Rudy, Rudy....

 
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Red

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Our intelligence agencies warned Trump that the Russians were feeding disinformation to Rudy. Trump’s reply was to literally shrug his shoulders and say “that’s Rudy”. Trump had no interest in dismissing Rudy if he felt it would help him.
That can’t be surprising, can it? General Kelly: "The depths of his dishonesty is just astounding to me. The dishonesty, the transactional nature of every relationship, though it's more pathetic than anything else. He is the most flawed person I have ever met in my life.”

I’ve been looking at the totality of this weak October surprise. Bazooka simply provided a decent summary for you. Believe whatever turns you on, I just find Rudy the next to least credible source for reliable info in our country. Trump being the least credible, of course.

Their October surprise is simply too late. Maybe the lame duck Senate can open hearings after the election, or, if they retain the Senate, next year.

But right now, with Trump telling his rallies that “we’ve turned the corner” on Covid, while, at the same time, cases and hospitalizations are up in many states, I believe enough people can see through Trump’s bs on Covid, (and Covid is a far more important issue to the American people, 22 million of whom have already voted in what will most likely be the biggest turnout in any of our lifetimes), to really make the Rudy nonsense of little importance at this point. I mean, Trump hoped for so much more. Obamagate? No charges. Durham report? Will not be released before the election. So Trump is left with Rudy and Bannon, and the Chinese billionaire upon whose yacht Bannon was recently arrested. I don’t see any reason to find those dudes credible at this point, but the whole affair is a desperation toss at the chalkboard.

Lol, Rudy, Rudy, Rudy....


These Bannon/Rudy sourced stories are very much like negative campaign ads. Their value does not lie in their truthfulness(although a negative that is valid certainly has more potential to damage its target), but rather their value is in their mere existence in the mainstream media.

Here we see how the Bannon playbook works:

“Bannon’s basic insight has long been that for such smears and disinformation to work, they must somehow get vaulted out of the conservative media bubble and into mainstream news coverage.

Back when Bannon was first trying to get the general bundle of right wing Biden-Ukraine smears taken seriously, journalist Joshua Green explained how all this works. He reported that Bannon was frustrated that these stories were “stuck in the conservative ecosystem.”

The Bannon playbook dictates that such efforts must “enter the public consciousness” as something other than “conservative attacks,” Green explained. It was only through getting “coverage in the mainstream press” that they might get “weaponized” or “legitimized.”

Trump and Giuliani, of course, managed to get extensive mainstream coverage of these smears and lies by launching the scheme that led to Trump’s impeachment. So this backfired on Trump, which undercuts the notion of Bannon as some kind of Svengali.

But this playbook still helps explain what we’re seeing now.“

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...candal-has-deeper-purpose-bannon-revealed-it/

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Knowing the nature of the playbook, and the characters involved in getting it picked up by the mainstream, helps to understand what is going on. And again, the value lies in getting certain buzzwords into the mainstream that causes some in the public to associate the Bidens with corruption. That said, this story has had difficulty entering the mainstream due to the initial reactions of both Twitter and Facebook. Their involvement raises other issues altogether.
 

Jazz4ever

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Hey @latin jazz @Avery

I promise I will leave you guys alone after this but give me your honest opinion of why this is a Utah based website and there are very, very, very few Trump Supporters here. There are obviously plenty that are Jazz fans and live in Utah but they don't come around these parts often Why is that?

I know why because I deal with the bigotry and flat out hatred first hand but I'm wondering what your honest opinion is.
Think of it as some new hi tech gadget you just bought. If defective, you are going to write a bad review at Amazon 90% of the time. If satisfied, you are way less likely to write a review on it.
 

fishonjazz

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Think of it as some new hi tech gadget you just bought. If defective, you are going to write a bad review at Amazon 90% of the time. If satisfied, you are way less likely to write a review on it.
I get your point, but if true then it would be very hard to find anything on Amazon that had a higher than 2 star rating.
Which isn't the case. I see tons of items with very favorable reviews. The bad reviews seem to be in the minority.

Same with sports for me. I talk about and post about the jazz and byu a lot more when I'm happy with their performance than I do when I'm unhappy with them.

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The Thriller

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I don’t want trump to flee the country. I want him and his family and cabinet members who’ve committed crimes to be prosecuted. I don’t think we should give a free pass to Those who created and enforced the child separation policies. People need to be prosecuted. Such a horrendous act should never happen again.
 

Avery

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Hey @latin jazz @Avery

I promise I will leave you guys alone after this but give me your honest opinion of why this is a Utah based website and there are very, very, very few Trump Supporters here. There are obviously plenty that are Jazz fans and live in Utah but they don't come around these parts often Why is that?

I know why because I deal with the bigotry and flat out hatred first hand but I'm wondering what your honest opinion is.
Few things for me:

- A lot of people avoid GD because it’s a place of conflict. In JF main forums, we are all fans and pretty united when the team is doing good and pretty pissed when they aren’t. Biggest gripes are usually about who to draft and who to trade.

- A good percentage of the Trump demographic in Utah will skew older and won’t use JF. Not all by any means, but a good chunk. Younger Utahns have trended to be a bit more liberal/moderate than their parents and might not frequent these parts as much.

- Being a Trump supporter brings a stereotype that’s not always fair as a backwoods, racist hick. It’s silly to think that all Trump supporters are that way just like any liberal is some millennial sleeping on the couch in their parent’s basement drinking lattes. There are people on the site who probably wouldn’t subject themselves to saying they vote for Trump because they may think it to be unpopular right now with our social dynamic.

- I am on many sports forums and the one consistency in all of them is that only a tiny fraction of people visit the General forums. Those people tend to be very outspoken - admittedly, all of us in this forum aren’t afraid and tend to voice our opinion.

- Lastly, I do think that some individuals aren’t necessarily fans of Trump, but they are fans of the Republican agenda so they will vote for him to push Republican policies. They are less likely to come into the forum and stand up for Trump as they may dislike him personally but prefer a Republican in the drivers seat.

Always appreciate the dialogue even if we disagree.
 

FAILED STATE

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Hey @latin jazz @Avery

I promise I will leave you guys alone after this but give me your honest opinion of why this is a Utah based website and there are very, very, very few Trump Supporters here. There are obviously plenty that are Jazz fans and live in Utah but they don't come around these parts often Why is that?

I know why because I deal with the bigotry and flat out hatred first hand but I'm wondering what your honest opinion is.
What a victim.
 

fishonjazz

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Few things for me:

- A lot of people avoid GD because it’s a place of conflict. In JF main forums, we are all fans and pretty united when the team is doing good and pretty pissed when they aren’t. Biggest gripes are usually about who to draft and who to trade.

- A good percentage of the Trump demographic in Utah will skew older and won’t use JF. Not all by any means, but a good chunk. Younger Utahns have trended to be a bit more liberal/moderate than their parents and might not frequent these parts as much.

- Being a Trump supporter brings a stereotype that’s not always fair as a backwoods, racist hick. It’s silly to think that all Trump supporters are that way just like any liberal is some millennial sleeping on the couch in their parent’s basement drinking lattes. There are people on the site who probably wouldn’t subject themselves to saying they vote for Trump because they may think it to be unpopular right now with our social dynamic.

- I am on many sports forums and the one consistency in all of them is that only a tiny fraction of people visit the General forums. Those people tend to be very outspoken - admittedly, all of us in this forum aren’t afraid and tend to voice our opinion.

- Lastly, I do think that some individuals aren’t necessarily fans of Trump, but they are fans of the Republican agenda so they will vote for him to push Republican policies. They are less likely to come into the forum and stand up for Trump as they may dislike him personally but prefer a Republican in the drivers seat.

Always appreciate the dialogue even if we disagree.
I think that last one is the main reason


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fishonjazz

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Would be interesting to see what would happen if the democrats had a good candidate going up against trump.

Like imagine a young 2008 era Obama running against trump.

I imagine that there are many people like tfivas who will vote trump but don't like him, but think Biden sucks really bad who would vote for a candidate like Obama. I imagine it would be a huge blowout.

Instead, due to having Biden as the alternative this election will be much closer than any election involving trump should ever be. (just like 2016)

Man I would love to have a really good candidate to vote for.

Let's all write in vote for Kalani Sitake! (Just kidding, let's just focus and getting trump out of our lives as much as possible)

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Eenie-Meenie

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What lies? Since you know me, tell me what lies? You're the one who lied to me in an extremely psychotic angry pm that Trump didn't denounce white supremacists, then I showed you a 7+ minute long video of the many many many times he did but your high horse wannabe smart media neglected to tell you knowing how easily gullible you are That is you lying. Just like you lied about Cain and it took me two seconds to prove your lie wrong.

I mean Trump has denounced white supremacists for 20+ years and you were too stupid to look it up yourself. With no due respect you're not as smart as you think. You literally just echo what you're told.
LOL ... Did he denounce Proud Boys during the debate? No, he told them to Stand By. They are a right-wing white supremacist militia. Then the next he says he denounces White Supremacists. What did he say about the white supremacists in Charlotteville? There are good people on both side, despite the fact that one of the white supremacists drove a car into the protesters, killing one of them. WTF is wrong with you. You're not dense, you're ****ing mentally ill!

LOL ... I'm not too smart. Well, coming from an idiot like you that is a compliment.
 

magic

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Would be interesting to see what would happen if the democrats had a good candidate going up against trump.

Like imagine a young 2008 era Obama running against trump.

I imagine that there are many people like tfivas who will vote trump but don't like him, but think Biden sucks really bad who would vote for a candidate like Obama. I imagine it would be a huge blowout.

Instead, due to having Biden as the alternative this election will be much closer than any election involving trump should ever be. (just like 2016)

Man I would love to have a really good candidate to vote for.

Let's all write in vote for Kalani Sitake! (Just kidding, let's just focus and getting trump out of our lives as much as possible)

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I don't think that's the case at all. I believe that Biden and his deteriorating mental health condition is actually an advantage. Why? Because I think people can sympathize and feel sorry for him. And when Trump acts mean towards him, it might turn off potential Trump voters.

One can argue that Trump is taking the same approach to Biden that he took against Hilary. But against Hilary it worked in his favor, since Hilary is unlikeable.

This situation is similar to the Bush vs Gore election imo. Gore seemed or was the more intelligent candidate, but he was also an ******* to the nicer candidate. And I believe that had a huge impact on the election result.
 
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