2020 Presidential election

[Miggs]

What’s crazy to me is that Trump’s only winning move would be to surrender to the mask crowd, mandate and drive down the numbers and hopefully show enough of a win that people take a second look at his ability to show results when his admin applies themselves. He can’t win unless COVID is decimated.

It’s getting near the end of the 3rd quarter and he’s down about three touchdowns. If Biden doesn’t start giving unforced errors, it’s over.

Watch. It’ll steadily go down. He’ll look better to his idiotic voters or those who had planned on leaving him and voting D, and then as soon as he wins, he’ll say we don’t need the masks anymore, we’ll be halfway through Fall, and numbers will explode.

Sadly, our best hope might be for the numbers to remain high.

 

[Miggs]

Hey, just like you guys...

Okay? What’s that show? That some idiot named El Jefe, ironically the name given to the brutal Dominican dictator about fifty years ago, can attempt feeble “assaults” on the left? What’s next? Some turd with the handle Benito showing some right dingleberries hoisting a Nazi flag, with some blue integrated, to show how patriotic they are?

 

[candrew]

People cling to leadership during times of crisis - they're even willing to forgive bad mistakes (see Cuomo in NY). You just have to display qualities of a leader.

Trump could have sewn up the election in March if he just went on TV and been straight with people and said "listen, we're probably going to get our *** kicked over the next couple months, but we're going fight like hell to get through this and we're going to do everything we can to mitigate this." And then turn things over to the experts.

But his ego wouldn't let that happen. He would minimize, deflect, shift blame, undermine his own people, say one thing and then tweet something else 3 hours later and then finally wash his hands of the whole thing while simultaneously professing to have all the answers - and in the end that's put him in the position he's in now. Not CNN or MSNBC or the liberal media - he has no one to blame but himself

 

[Deleted member 365]

“New tone!”

 

[Avery]

In seeing some of the Republican conflict on the next stimulus project, part of me wonders is the ones clinging to electoral hopes in November are the ones pushing more money (i.e. - get in the good graces of voters) while the ones who are locked in to terms are more likely to stick to conservative principles.

One thing is for sure - when Biden wins, he will be blamed for the economy beginning January 20th.

 

[latin jazz]

Okay? What’s that show? That some idiot named El Jefe, ironically the name given to the brutal Dominican dictator about fifty years ago, can attempt feeble “assaults” on the left? What’s next? Some turd with the handle Benito showing some right dingleberries hoisting a Nazi flag with some blue integrated to show how patriotic they are?

right? I mean, how do you read that and say: "uh, that El Jefe Tulum guy seems like a very smart and reliable source, I need to quote him and show those progressive idiots at jazzfanz how wrong they are". Also, in Mexico (where Tulum is located), Jefe is associated with narcos.

 

[infection]

People cling to leadership during times of crisis - they're even willing to forgive bad mistakes (see Cuomo in NY). You just have to display qualities of a leader.

Trump could have sewn up the election in March if he just went on TV and been straight with people and said "listen, we're probably going to get our *** kicked over the next couple months, but we're going fight like hell to get through this and we're going to do everything we can to mitigate this." And then turn things over to the experts.

But his ego wouldn't let that happen. He would minimize, deflect, shift blame, undermine his own people, say one thing and then tweet something else 3 hours later and then finally wash his hands of the whole thing while simultaneously professing to have all the answers - and in the end that's put him in the position he's in now. Not CNN or MSNBC or the liberal media - he has no one to blame but himself

I'd be fairly interested in seeing that alternate reality play out. My suspicion would lead me to believe that people would have a very different view of what's happening and the data than they do currently. Especially as this would likely be seen in light of him attempting to use this as a diversion from impeachment. If it were originally him coming out of the gate saying to take this serious, saying that things would be really bad, and pushing out people fomenting fear and exerting executive power like we've never seen to 'control' the virus? I'd strongly suspect you'd see a complete inversion in who's arguing which side of everything. Especially as early on with COVID (back in January and early February) it was primarily the far right using it as a beating post against the CCP.

 

[Avery]

I'd be fairly interested in seeing that alternate reality play out. My suspicion would lead me to believe that people would have a very different view of what's happening and the data than they do currently. Especially as this would likely be seen in light of him attempting to use this as a diversion from impeachment. If it were originally him coming out of the gate saying to take this serious, saying that things would be really bad, and pushing out people fomenting fear and exerting executive power like we've never seen to 'control' the virus? I'd strongly suspect you'd see a complete inversion in who's arguing which side of everything. Especially as early on with COVID (back in January and early February) it was primarily the far right using it as a beating post against the CCP.

Effort matters. If voters feel that the admin would have made a good faith effort and that the virus was simply too overpowering no matter what we would have done, more quarter would have been given and leniency would have been better. This would have reflected in the poll numbers in the confidence of handling a crisis.

 

[PJF]

 

[infection]

Effort matters. If voters feel that the admin would have made a good faith effort and that the virus was simply too overpowering no matter what we would have done, more quarter would have been given and leniency would have been better. This would have reflected in the poll numbers in the confidence of handling a crisis.

And you don't think people would have fundamentally viewed this through an entirely different lens from the get-go? The popular opinion would be that Trump was just trying to protect America? Or would people skew more toward he was playing politics with fear to distract from his failings and impeachment, that he was trying to stoke fear in the American populace for political gain, and that he was exercising executive power like never before seen? Do you think everyone would have jumped behind Fauci (who nobody knew of prior to March) as an expert that represents science, and not viewed him as a goon that Trump is using as a front to exploit a national emergency for political gain?

 

[Miggs]

People cling to leadership during times of crisis - they're even willing to forgive bad mistakes (see Cuomo in NY). You just have to display qualities of a leader.

Trump could have sewn up the election in March if he just went on TV and been straight with people and said "listen, we're probably going to get our *** kicked over the next couple months, but we're going fight like hell to get through this and we're going to do everything we can to mitigate this." And then turn things over to the experts.

But his ego wouldn't let that happen. He would minimize, deflect, shift blame, undermine his own people, say one thing and then tweet something else 3 hours later and then finally wash his hands of the whole thing while simultaneously professing to have all the answers - and in the end that's put him in the position he's in now. Not CNN or MSNBC or the liberal media - he has no one to blame but himself

POTY right ****ing here.

 

[One Brow]

And you don't think people would have fundamentally viewed this through an entirely different lens from the get-go? The popular opinion would be that Trump was just trying to protect America? Or would people skew more toward he was playing politics with fear to distract from his failings and impeachment, that he was trying to stoke fear in the American populace for political gain, and that he was exercising executive power like never before seen? Do you think everyone would have jumped behind Fauci (who nobody knew of prior to March) as an expert that represents science, and not viewed him as a goon that Trump is using as a front to exploit a national emergency for political gain?

It's a little sad top see you trying to argue that, if your guy had done the right thing, everyone would be for doing the wrong thing. When Trump signed the First Step Act, there was no significant criticism from the left (except for it perhaps not going far enough). They haven't been hounding him to be more aggressive in foreign military matters. If Trump had gotten ahead of the curve, he would have been vindicated instead of reviled.

Very few people are reflexively opposing Trump. It just seems that way because he is so very often wrong.