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The Thriller said:
Right? Excellent points.

I’d love to know how many would be entrepreneurs stay in their regular jobs “working for the man” because of health insurance? How many would be great small business owners but don’t try because they fear losing health insurance? How many would then try and become successful entrepreneurs if freed from these bands that prevent them from innovating?

I personally have several friends who stay in the jobs they hate because they don’t want to lose health care benefits. I wonder if they’d go out and do something they’d actually enjoy doing if they knew that they’d still be able to get health care despite being not working for a company?

Probably won’t get any hot sound bytes by debating these things but damn wouldn’t it start an awesome discussion?
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I've heard plenty of business owners complain about how onerous it is to provide Healthcare to employees once a company reaches a certain size. It incentives them to keep people at part time hours, which probably contributes to this age we are in right now where unemployment is down, but millions with jobs are "underemployed," working multiple jobs with few benefits just to get by. And hell, those who are employed with benefits often can't afford to actually use their Healthcare. I don't have the savings to meet my deductible, even with my HSA, and I know I'm far from alone in this.
 
Catchall said:
A lot can happen in 18 months, but I don't think Biden, Booker, Harris, Warren or Sanders can beat Trump in an election unless Trump does something that's so far beyond reproach that he basically takes himself out. So far, I think Biden is the most capable of posing a real challenge, but I think he'd ultimately lose. He just doesn't come off as having the fire, the passion or the vision that he needs. He's a real senior statesman though.

Personally, I actually like a few of these fringe candidates like Andrew Yang and the governor from Washington Inslee.
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Donald is already pleading with the feds to cut interest rates. If the economy is so strong, why would he be begging for that? Personally, I think Trump’s nonstop corruption, tweeting, and racism as already lost him a great deal of support nationally. The question is whether it’s hurt him so much that he’s lost Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, and Michigan. Seriously, that’s all that matters. Whoever wins those 3 states will win the EC. Fortunately, for Donald, those 3 states have a large non-college educated white working class. That helps him.

However, Once the economy craters in the next year, I feel like Democrats will be in prime position to retake those states.
 
Catchall said:
A lot can happen in 18 months, but I don't think Biden, Booker, Harris, Warren or Sanders can beat Trump in an election unless Trump does something that's so far beyond reproach that he basically takes himself out. So far, I think Biden is the most capable of posing a real challenge, but I think he'd ultimately lose. He just doesn't come off as having the fire, the passion or the vision that he needs. He's a real senior statesman though.

Personally, I actually like a few of these fringe candidates like Andrew Yang and the governor from Washington Inslee.
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My gut instinct is that any of those five could, but it's just way too early to say one way or the other with confidence. Trump is not a popular president, and there are a lot of people of all political stripes motivated to get him out of office.
 
Andrew Yang and inslee have the combined personalities of cardboard.

I’m all about candidates who are less about entertainment and more about information. But my hell... the president also has to be able to lead too. Neither one of those guys can lead the nation imo
 
The Thriller said:
Donald is already pleading with the feds to cut interest rates. If the economy is so strong, why would he be begging for that? Personally, I think Trump’s nonstop corruption, tweeting, and racism as already lost him a great deal of support nationally. The question is whether it’s hurt him so much that he’s lost Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, and Michigan. Seriously, that’s all that matters. Whoever wins those 3 states will win the EC. Fortunately, for Donald, those 3 states have a large non-college educated white working class. That helps him.

However, Once the economy craters in the next year, I feel like Democrats will be in prime position to retake those states.
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It would be nice if the democrats messaging on the economy was about how the economy is good for investors, but isn't working for the average American. Especially in those rust belt states, he hasn't delivered the economic prosperity he promised them.
 
The Thriller said:
Andrew Yang and inslee have the combined personalities of cardboard.

I’m all about candidates who are less about entertainment and more about information. But my hell... the president also has to be able to lead too. Neither one of those guys can lead the nation imo
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Inslee is a great guy, awesome ideas, but just so little charisma.
 
Serious scenario:

Iran helps spread disinformation to help elect democrats as they see democrats more open to renegotiating the nuclear deal.

Something to think about; foreign interference in our elections. What toll would hundreds/thousands of Iranian bots have if they pumped out anti-trump rhetoric throughout October and November of 2020? Especially if they take a page out of 2016’s book and target the elderly on Facebook living midwestern states? Does China also help because they want to end the trade wars? Again, something to think about.
 
Zombie said:
It would be nice if the democrats messaging on the economy was about how the economy is good for investors, but isn't working for the average American. Especially in those rust belt states, he hasn't delivered the economic prosperity he promised them.
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If I were a democratic strategist, I’d be telling my candidate to mention trump’s Tax cuts for the rich and failure to enact health care reform in every other sentence. Whether it’s a debate, interview, or campaign speech. Forget school busing, focus on the damn tax cuts for the rich and refusal to fix our health care system.

“Promises made promises (not) kept.”
 
Zombie said:
Inslee is a great guy, awesome ideas, but just so little charisma.
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So little...

Again, I’m all about information. I want the president to be a helluva lot smarter than me. I don’t want the president to be the guy to drink a beer with me. I want him to be the guy reading hours on end about foreign policy or discussing economics. We have drinking buddies. We need an executive leader.

But man, ya gotta have some charism too. Just a little at least.
 
The Thriller said:
Serious scenario:

Iran helps spread disinformation to help elect democrats as they see democrats more open to renegotiating the nuclear deal.

Something to think about; foreign interference in our elections. What toll would hundreds/thousands of Iranian bots have if they pumped out anti-trump rhetoric throughout October and November of 2020? Especially if they take a page out of 2016’s book and target the elderly on Facebook living midwestern states? Does China also help because they want to end the trade wars? Again, something to think about.
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Maybe like a lesser version of MSNBC....

Of course, you Democrats would never stand for something like that since it would be a trespass on our sacred Republic.
 
Catchall said:
Maybe like a lesser version of MSNBC....

Of course, you Democrats would never stand for something like that since it would be a trespass on our sacred Republic.
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Huh? Your post makes zero sense. I thought republicans demanded that people here speak American?
 
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