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Trump is going to destroy his opponent. Do people actually think whites, male or female, are going to vote for Warren in states like Michigan, Wisconsin, Ohio, and even Pennsylvania or Florida?
 
sirkickyass said:
The real reason the GOP is against making college affordable

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Thank god for the Electoral College. Otherwise, the election would be determined by just a handful of states... /s

I think you bring up a good point. This is one of the main reasons why public education is being defunded and fractured in red states in favor of “free market” for profit charter and private school ventures. The DeVos family in particular has had a significant influence in the charter and school voucher movement in Michigan. As Secretary of Education she has used her position, not to help make college more affordable, but to profit from his position.

I think this poll also shows, sadly, that there’s a certain percentage of our population that is completely gone. Whites without degrees are most likely to live within their own bubble, impervious to fact or evidence. That’s why Trump’s “grievance” schtick is so popular among these people no matter how idiotic it is (we’re building a wall around Colorado!)

Unfortunately, as the population becomes increasingly concentrated in the handful of urban and coastal population centers, isolated whites without degrees become politically more powered up due to the undemocratic structure of the Senate and Electoral College. This can only be fixed by amending the Constitution.

Here’s an article that I found to really encapsulates this demographic so very well.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/04/opinion/sunday/trump-arkansas.html

I really don’t know how you fix this:

while national polls show support for impeaching him is growing, it’s still divided sharply along partisan lines. Democrats strongly favor it, while Republicans tend to oppose it.

I’ve been following this story from my little corner of the world in rural Van Buren County, Ark. Tim Widener, 50, who lives outside my hometown, Clinton, summed up the town’s attitude well: “It’s really a sad waste of taxpayers’ money,” he told me.

Mr. Widener could have been talking about anything. His comment reflected a worldview that is becoming ever more deeply ingrained in the white people who remain in rural America — Washington politicians are spending money that they shouldn’t be. In 2016, shortly after Mr. Trump’s victory,Katherine J. Cramer, a political scientist at the University of Wisconsin-Madison, summed up the attitudes she observed after years of studying rural Americans: “The way these folks described the world to me, their basic concern was that people like them, in places like theirs, were overlooked and disrespected,” she wrote in Vox, explaining that her subjects considered “racial minorities on welfare” as well as “lazy urban professionals” working desk jobs to be undeserving of state and federal dollars. People like my neighbors hate that the government is spending money on those who don’t look like them and don’t live like them...

It’s an attitude that is against taxes, immigrants and government, but also against helping your neighbor.

The most dominant news source here is Fox News, which I think helps perpetuate these attitudes.

When local economies are flagging, state governments don’t step in to help as much as they once did.

It means many county governments are getting less money on several fronts. A report from the National Association of Counties from 2016 was titled, “Doing More With Less.” It’s the new normal.

Local budgets pay for the infrastructure and institutions people deal with every day — schools, roads, water, trash collection, libraries and animal shelters. Cuts to those services are felt in a visceral way.
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As industries in America’s middle close down, the tax base shrinks in middle America. This causes further cuts to infrastructure, education, and investment which encourages those who are younger, talented, intelligent, smart, and with resources move to urban centers for education and employment. This leaves the middle facing a “brain drain” that is more susceptible to Fox News hate propaganda. People then long for a return for a glorious past, which never existed, and a cynical view of the future, where all of their supposed common enemies, liberals, women, people of color, immigrants, and coastal elites are finally defeated.

This wouldn’t be a big deal if older non-college educated whites weren’t such a large demographic or if the senate and Electoral College weren’t structured in the way that they are. Sadly, I don’t know how we fix rural communities. Especially if the people living there are nothing more than unambitious Fox News consuming zombies.
 
Funny Republicans can't even speak at colleges without mass protest yet we hear about how educated these people are. It's funny, watching these college kids preach socialism and not even be able to explain what it is. As I've heard here, it's fire trucks. These undeveloped brains being indoctrinated that everything in life is free all while these uneducated whites are making gobs of money in trades that keep the world moving. Yeah **** them though right? They have no say because these perfect Democrats deserve everything. You wanna talk divisive rhetoric, look no further than people who think they're better than others. Now why on Earth would these people vote for that?

This asinine "I'm so holy" bigotry by the left is exactly why Trump won and will again. Middle blue collar America is so stupid to them but in reality they're(blue collars and the silent majority) just sick of such divisise diatribe the "tolerant" left pushes. The people that get mad when Trump called MS13 animals yet look above and the bigotry is equal by calling people "gone". Who are you? The guy claiming Tulsi Gabbard is a Russian agent for God sakes and posting Facebook politics.

Yeah, education did you well.
 
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I mean 20-50 trillion dollars in Medicare alone... Free college adding another tens of trillions. Do the math with your education. Hell, why not just pay off the debt? Why not end world hunger?
 
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Wes Mantooth said:
Trump is going to destroy his opponent. Do people actually think whites, male or female, are going to vote for Warren in states like Michigan, Wisconsin, Ohio, and even Pennsylvania or Florida?
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I would hope so but unfortunately I've learned that I live in the kind of country that will vote for someone like Trump, which I find far more surprising.

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JazzyFresh said:
Lol but Hillary was so much better. Lol that old high horse stuff. Hillary Clinton.
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So since Hillary isn't President there's no reason to vote for Trump? Might as well vote for a boring person like Warren?
 


More evidence showing the divide between urban areas and rural areas. Trump could lose the popular vote by 3-5 million yet remain competitive in key EC states. This is due primarily because of the brain drain in rural America. Fewer tax dollars for investments into education and health care, increasingly isolated and paranoid, which leaves them with a sense of grievance and more susceptible to MAGA rhetoric/propaganda.
 
Gameface said:
I would hope so but unfortunately I've learned that I live in the kind of country that will vote for someone like Trump, which I find far more surprising.

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Whats so surprising?
If you travel outside your bubble youll find out the word aint much different. Look at china and korea, trumps form of racism would be considered green peace hippie level
 
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