2020 Presidential election

[Joe Bagadonuts]

Who else in this thread has said it looks like she is sneaking?
What makes you think it's clear as day to everyone else that she is sneaking if no one else has commented on it?

So you think what you saw in that video is the best way to be hidden or do you think it might work better to be in a tighter cluster formation with bigger bodies?

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I think it might have worked better if she had put a cardboard box over her head, so I guess you could be right. She didn't hide in the best possible way (unless you consider that it might have been the best available option from the moment that she spotted the camera) so she must not have been hiding at all. (I assume that you will be willing to apply that "She wasn't hiding because she didn't hide in the best possible way" logic to Trump's Russia, Ukraine, etc. issues too, right?)

There are tons of articles and posts from people who see this moment for what it was:
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Can you find any from people who agree with you that she just happened to be hidden (or even better that the cameraman planned this in advance)?

 

[fishonjazz]

I think it might have worked better if she had put a cardboard box over her head, so I guess you could be right. She didn't hide in the best possible way (unless you consider that it might have been the best available option from the moment that she spotted the camera) so she must not have been hiding at all. (I assume that you will be willing to apply that "She wasn't hiding because she didn't hide in the best possible way" logic to Trump's Russia, Ukraine, etc. issues too, right?)

There are tons of articles and posts from people who see this moment for what it was:
Click here to see

Can you find any from people who agree with you that she just happened to be hidden (or even better that the cameraman planned this in advance)?

What do you think would have happened if the cameraman took a couple steps to the left or the right?
It would seem that the cameraman was trying to film Warren. If you were a cameraman trying to film someone and there were obstacles in your way do you think you would try to position yourself for a better shot? Why do you think this person didn't?
Do you think it would be better for hiding if you were in a tighter cluster? Even without a cardboard box? (strawman argument)

As for you saying that other people think she was hiding too.... Others falling for fake news does little too sway me. I just use my eyes and logic. I don't see anyone trying very hard to hide. Also don't see anyone trying very hard to capture her on camera.
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[JazzyFresh]

People would rather blame people like my father who worked in coal, commuted every single day and left hardly a footprint rather than the person lecturing us about carbon footprints while polluting more into the atmosphere in one trip than he did in a year. These elites pouring emissions into the atmosphere for any little award show or meeting lecturing us little piss ons how it's our fault.

 

[Zombie]

People would rather blame people like my father who worked in coal, commuted every single day and left hardly a footprint rather than the person lecturing us about carbon footprints while polluting more into the atmosphere in one trip than he did in a year. These elites pouring emissions into the atmosphere for any little award show or meeting lecturing us little piss ons how it's our fault.

Nobody is blaming blaming coal miners for climate change.

You ****ing dip.

 

[JazzyFresh]

Nobody is blaming blaming coal miners for climate change.

You ****ing dip.

********. Maybe not here as we haven't discussed it but I've been called some pretty nasty things for being procoal.

 

[Zombie]

********. Maybe not here as we haven't discussed it but I've been called some pretty nasty things for being procoal.

Calling out the destruction of the various fossil fuel industries is not at all the same thing as blaming coal miners. Get real.

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

What do you think would have happened if the cameraman took a couple steps to the left or the right?
It would seem that the cameraman was trying to film Warren. If you were a cameraman trying to film someone and there were obstacles in your way do you think you would try to position yourself for a better shot? Why do you think this person didn't?
Do you think it would be better for hiding if you were in a tighter cluster? Even without a cardboard box? (strawman argument)

As for you saying that other people think she was hiding too.... Others falling for fake news does little too sway me. I just use my eyes and logic. I don't see anyone trying very hard to hide. Also don't see anyone trying very hard to capture her on camera.
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I don't know whether it would have been possible for the camera operator to move. It's interesting to me that you have found a way to convince yourself that what appears so obvious is not the case. It's clear to me that we are all very susceptible to seeing the world through our own partisan lens.

 

[JazzyFresh]

Calling out the destruction of the various fossil fuel industries is not at all the same thing as blaming coal miners. Get real.

Dude... I've seen it first hand. I have been called the equivalent of Hitler for it. You can refuse to believe me but I swear it on my Grandmothers grave. That's something I don't do lightly. People have directly blamed my father as well.

 

[Zombie]

Dude... I've seen it first hand. I have been called the equivalent of Hitler for it. You can refuse to believe me but I swear it on my Grandmothers grave. That's something I don't do lightly. People have directly blamed my father as well.

Seems like you ran into some pretty terrible people then. That's definitely not where the overwhelming amount of criticism regarding climate change is directed toward.

 

[fishonjazz]

Seems like you ran into some pretty terrible people then. That's definitely not where the overwhelming amount of criticism regarding climate change is directed toward.

I have never even thought of a coal miner when I have looked at the ****** air that I live in.

I do hate when people leave their cars running though.

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[One Brow]

Sadly it probably gets drowned out by the popularity that Marxism has become within the party.

None of the Presidential candidates are Marxists. This is a fictitious talking point from far-right sources more interested in propaganda than truth.

I think that is why the left is struggling so bad right now is that they have went waaaay to far away from their roots.

Both parties have evolved considerably over the last 40 years (and over the 40 years before that, and the 40 years before that). Parties change as the US has changed.

They have lost their true identity.

I don't trust your ability to evaluate the rue identity of a party when you don't even know it doesn't have any Marxists.

If you don't agree explain why Bernie is surging.

You don't state it explicitly, but this seems to be tied into your false sense of what a Marxist is. Sanders is not a Marxist. In fact, his positions are not much further left than Boris Johnson in the UK.

I don't think anyone knows exactly why Sanders is surging, but my barely educated guess is that, in part, people have been seeing very minor wage gains compared to massive increases in costs like college and housing, and farmers in particular have had massive losses under Trump's tariffs.

There could be any number of reasons.

 

[One Brow]

Second of all, there is no mathematical way that anyone could purport that a person traveling by private jet does not use a massively larger amount of fuel and therefore create more of those nasty greenhouse gasses that everyone on the left agrees are the biggest threat the planet is facing

Massively more than generating electricity from coal? If not, massively more than what? What is the difference in the amount of CO2 generated per mile traveled between a small private plan and a commercial airliner, per passenger?

Don't worry, we all know you have no idea. For you, it's just a talking point you heard someone else say, and you think you can attack with it.