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2020 Presidential election

dalamon said:
Bernie is thoroughly more electable than warren— all the stats bear this out. Bernie also gets bills passed, often with bipartisan support— all the stats also Bear this out.

You can’t blame Gameface for being queasy about the term “socialists”— the American government shamefully misled millions of troops to murder civilians in the name of combating this purposefully smeared ideology. To accept that socialism isn’t evil would basically equate to thousands of Americans being sent to The Hague for war crimes (the leaders— not the infantrymen; they were just carrying orders).
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The resistance to Bernie isn’t just dumb Americans being scurred of scurry words like “socialism.” It’s that Bernie is a lousy candidate. I’m worried that his angry ranting plays right into Trump’s hands. I’m worried he will alienate coalitions of people (like @colton) that we need to win/hold onto to beat Trump, win the senate, and retain the House. It’s like all the lessons of 2018, “The Year Of The Moderate” have already been forgotten. I’m worried that his past comments about Cuba and the USSR will make easy ads for Trump. Finally, I’m not comfortable with “a revolution.” America doesn’t need that. We need to reform our institutions and update some of our programs to meet the needs of the 21st century. We don’t need to burn them down with a bunch of loud angry young men (history has proven that this rarely works out).

The mere fact that Bernie’s campaign leadership and fans are just as intolerant and obnoxious as Trump’s is off-putting to me. Suddenly, I’m not liberal enough for Bernie Bros who feel like they can take over our party. Suddenly @Gameface is being attacked as if he were a Trumper. It’s seriously scary the similarities between how Trump took over the Republican Party in 2015-2016 and how Sanders is taking over the Democratic Party now. I think Sanders will win the nomination. I think the establishment is failing and the guardrails are breaking. How long lasting his victory will be I think depends on if he wins the general in 2020. Sadly, for the establishment to restore order, we may need 4 more years of Trump. Sigh
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Damn bro the President cant do it all by himself? That means we should give up a nominate a centrist and make sure nothing ever changes? THat makes sense?

Vote for Bernie and be proven wrong. HE IS THE MOST POPULAR CANDIDATE AND IF YOUR CLAIMS ARENT BS THEN YOU SHOULD BE HITCHING YOUR WAGON TO THE MOST POPULAR CANDIDATE TO BEAT TRUMP.

So we have a candidate who checks two of your supposed boxes (healthcare and beating Trump), but you arent supporting him? This makes sense in what universe? You are either full of it or brainwashed by the media.
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If you want to pass universal health care you will need to retain control of the house and win at least 2/3rds majority of the senate. Nominating a moderate at the top of the ticket gives us the best chance of winning the senate and retaining control of the House. You’re not going to win in purple or light red states with a Democratic Socialist at the top of the ticket.
 
Douchebag K said:
your stupid clown Democratic party is going to ensure that the world is stuck with Trump for another four years. Thnx very much
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It must be nice living somewhere where no one outside that place gives a **** who your leaders are.
 
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