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If you give him credit for creating jobs, it stands to reason that you have to credit him for the current loss of jobs too. No?

Pretty clear the dumpTrump crew in here do no hiring to speak of. Guvmint jobs are created for political hacks who can do nothing worth doing, for sure. But they aren't really jobs. They're more like padded vases for planting fat asses.
 
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Losing jobs, then getting some of them back, is far from creating. Oh and the president has very little to do with this. I think the jobs thing has always been one of the dumbest things, either pro or con, for a presidential claim.


Boy I hope you get a new job. Working for Amazon or whatever is just a poisoned cloud of brainfreeze.

Trump has with bravado run the gauntlet of bureaucrats and political opposition to just restore a few items of freedom in our markets, or claimed a few little victories in trade deals, or dropped a few job-killing regulations that make locating business inside the US a really bad idea. Why locate production here?

The Chinese, and a lot of other countries, have no comparable regulations or taxes, and we gave them actual incentives for sending their junk here.

I suppose that may be job security for you, but I think you could still do the same kind of job getting stuff made here in the US to market.

Trump claims only that he's made factories and other onshore production more favorable. And yeah, some of it was some damn deal handed out to the cartels, to make it worthwhile to open jobs here.

We have for decades been suppressing American jobs in the form of local production by making it favorable to locate offshore and exploit virtual slave labor around the world, just as we have been promoting importation of cheap foreign "slaves" to do various jobs here.

All in all, it's been a historic reversal of everything American Unions once stood for, but our unions today are corrupt bought-off outfits that exploit their workers, skimming off their depressed wages, and bankrolling "Progress" , a fake term with a false promise, because the "Progress" is a return to medieval peasantry/nobility in terms of workers and elites as we call them today.
 
Boy I hope you get a new job. Working for Amazon or whatever is just a poisoned cloud of brainfreeze.

Trump has with bravado run the gauntlet of bureaucrats and political opposition to just restore a few items of freedom in our markets, or claimed a few little victories in trade deals, or dropped a few job-killing regulations that make locating business inside the US a really bad idea. Why locate production here?

The Chinese, and a lot of other countries, have no comparable regulations or taxes, and we gave them actual incentives for sending their junk here.

I suppose that may be job security for you, but I think you could still do the same kind of job getting stuff made here in the US to market.

Trump claims only that he's made factories and other onshore production more favorable. And yeah, some of it was some damn deal handed out to the cartels, to make it worthwhile to open jobs here.

We have for decades been suppressing American jobs in the form of local production by making it favorable to locate offshore and exploit virtual slave labor around the world, just as we have been promoting importation of cheap foreign "slaves" to do various jobs here.

All in all, it's been a historic reversal of everything American Unions once stood for, but our unions today are corrupt bought-off outfits that exploit their workers, skimming off their depressed wages, and bankrolling "Progress" , a fake term with a false promise, because the "Progress" is a return to medieval peasantry/nobility in terms of workers and elites as we call them today.
Funny thing is that most manufacturing moves off shore because of the single largest cost to a manufacturing firm: labor. They can pay a lot less in Mexico than here. So it takes pretty large incentives to keep manufacturing here.

But the other funny thing is, it isn't even manufacturing jobs that are being created. It's simply the return of service jobs that were lost previously.
 
Funny thing is that most manufacturing moves off shore because of the single largest cost to a manufacturing firm: labor. They can pay a lot less in Mexico than here. So it takes pretty large incentives to keep manufacturing here.

But the other funny thing is, it isn't even manufacturing jobs that are being created. It's simply the return of service jobs that were lost previously.


Well, "service jobs" covers a lot of stuff I suppose. Online commerce even banking has utilized a lot of "office staff" offshore. You know, the "no service" sort of service that can't even really speak English....... (j/k)

But from what I've seen in the news, in the brag feed coming from the White House, is major plants like autos, auto parts,

I do see a little of what goes on in agriculture, and there's still a reliance on the undermarket labor to get the vegges to your table.

motels and tourist establishments can't make it without the undermarket labor either. I don't know what it will all look like when the scaredemic loses its political utility, but I hear a lot of food service joints will just be permanently closed.

But never fear, the online food service/delivery boys will keep our fat asses even better planted in our couches.
 
factors that"move jobs offshore" include health care costs, social safety net contributions, and a whole lot of regulations that are costing employers in compliance and crap.

The WTO, the World Trade Organization, in my direct observation, has sometimes dinged China for anti-competitive crap like government subsidies for exports, subsidizing their manufacturers while they do market-capturing price wars undercutting what American manufacturers can do, but not nearly often enough. You have to have the right friends to get protected.

Trump shook up that kind of market manipulation, and gave US producers a better chance to be competitive.

You seem to fundamentally ignore or not want to see what cheap labor really is.

Cheap labor in a local market just means cheap in terms of dollar exchange values. People work cheap, eat cheap, live cheap because everything in their market uses the same pay package. Yes, they don't have American homes, cars, or sports, and yes, there are a lot of very poor people with no jobs.

But a foreign corporate locating there, wishing to use that cheap labor, relies on selling in America or Europe where the same stuff gets a very good price. Often 80% profit.

Corporates who do that kind of exploitation are justly called "plantations" and their workers virtual "slaves" . The idea is the same. It is exploitation. In my rants, you need to understand the moral code I am invoking in my analysis.

Corporates who ditch American workers to exploit offshore slaves should not get the tax breaks or political hackery. they should be heavily tariffed.

the issue reduces to whether you support modern slavery, or whether you want fair pay for labor.
 
factors that"move jobs offshore" include health care costs, social safety net contributions, and a whole lot of regulations that are costing employers in compliance and crap.

The WTO, the World Trade Organization, in my direct observation, has sometimes dinged China for anti-competitive crap like government subsidies for exports, subsidizing their manufacturers while they do market-capturing price wars undercutting what American manufacturers can do, but not nearly often enough. You have to have the right friends to get protected.

Trump shook up that kind of market manipulation, and gave US producers a better chance to be competitive.

You seem to fundamentally ignore or not want to see what cheap labor really is.

Cheap labor in a local market just means cheap in terms of dollar exchange values. People work cheap, eat cheap, live cheap because everything in their market uses the same pay package. Yes, they don't have American homes, cars, or sports, and yes, there are a lot of very poor people with no jobs.

But a foreign corporate locating there, wishing to use that cheap labor, relies on selling in America or Europe where the same stuff gets a very good price. Often 80% profit.

Corporates who do that kind of exploitation are justly called "plantations" and their workers virtual "slaves" . The idea is the same. It is exploitation. In my rants, you need to understand the moral code I am invoking in my analysis.

Corporates who ditch American workers to exploit offshore slaves should not get the tax breaks or political hackery. they should be heavily tariffed.

the issue reduces to whether you support modern slavery, or whether you want fair pay for labor.

Mmm, you mention people not wanting to see but you are not aknowledging the fact that US has some of the highest hidden subsidies in the world in the agriculture sector. See for example cotton. I'll dig some numbers on a research I did for Duke University but feel free to check their Global Value Chains studies in the meantime.
 
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When asked about this doctor’s beliefs yesterday, he essentially doubled down. Said he doesn’t know what country she is from, but whatever country it is, she has had great success using Hydroxychloroquine. Then he said, “but I don’t know her”.


 
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