Jazz need some size/athleticism at the wing. Royce is a bit small, and Joe/Bojan are a bit slow. Actually, Garuba would be great for the Jazz if they can teach him to hit corner 3s.
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Jazz need some size/athleticism at the wing. Royce is a bit small, and Joe/Bojan are a bit slow. Actually, Garuba would be great for the Jazz if they can teach him to hit corner 3s.
homeytennis
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There are guys out there like a couple of guys the Bucks have on their bench or Garrison Matthews for the Wiz they found as undrafted free agent in some out of the way college league. Our scouts need to find them.
jom2003
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yeah, but that doesn't take away my argument. when your very best player goes directly against the principle in which you were trying to shape your team, it wouldn't work. The Orlando model failed because they were restricted with Vuce, not because it was a bad model.
Thee Jazz Fan
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@Wes Mantooth go!!!
Thee Jazz Fan
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What? Vuce is proof-positive that their strategy is garbage: he was their best player by a lot for a long time even though he wasn’t one of these blue-chippers that suck at playing basketball.
It’s wild to me how underrated actually being good at the sport is. Orlando’s failures were entirely predictable because amassing dudes that lack basic skills compounds on itself (all the athleticism in the world doesn’t matter if the paint is packed and hardly anybody is good at moving the ball).
jom2003
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Orlando model was a mistake because they should either trade Vuce or not going with that model at all. Vuce is a great player don't get me wrong. But he definitely has his own limitations that are exploitable in playoffs. Just look at his numbers against raptors in 2019 series.
Plus I'm not sure there's much to say about magic failure from Jazz standpoint. They failed and couldn't get out of the first round. Yes. But Jazz didn't do that much better themselves and couldn't get out of the second round. Looking at Magic's failure is not going to make us feel all that much better about ourselves.
Of one guy that can’t shoot (but can do everything else) surrounded by skilled basketball players?
jom2003
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Lopez, Middleton, Tucker and Holiday are all good athlete for their position. Allow them to play good defense, rebound and contribute in different ways.
No Bojan/JC/Niang type who's basically useless on the floor when they aren't making shots.
But you seem to think that those moves were driven by some weird philosophy that was primarily about athleticism, and if we're to look at Orlando as an example, then also to the exclusion of other key attributes, such as shooting/spacing.
Brook Lopez fell out of the sky for them. As did Khris Middleton.
I just think using the success of Milwaukee as justification for your narrowly-defined attributes is half-baked at best. The Bucks are good at basketball and the Magic have routinely decided to stack raw athletes on top of raw athletes.
But maybe to your point, before the Bucks figured out that spacing/shooting was important, their rosters were a total mess.
Loco for Roko....