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LoPo said:
I know it's an unpopular opinion, but I think prime Jordan wouldn't have dominated today's game. He would have been very good, DeRozan good, but not what he was in his era.
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Look I can understand you thinking some of todays stars can hang with MJ but to compare MJ to DeRozen completely ridiculous and means I can’t take anything you say with any grain of salt or sanity Jordan is an all time great two way player. I don’t think you understand just how crazy competitive he was and how it fueled him it’s like mamba Kobe times ten. No one’s drive comes even close. If Jordan was in his prime , sure Ja could cook him from time to time but Jordan would remember and completely destroy him in every way the next time they met in a game. You apparently have no idea that man’s will to win and be the best. Literally some of the most amaizing elite players are ring-less because Mike refused to lose. He isn’t the goat simply because he was so talented, which he was he was as good as he was because he was so much more driven than anyone Jordan mentally was on another level entirely like 3 or 4 levels in reality.
 
Thee Idiotic Minivan K said:
Look I can understand you thinking some of todays stars can hang with MJ but to compare MJ to DeRozen completely ridiculous and means I can’t take anything you say with any grain of salt or sanity Jordan is an all time great two way player. I don’t think you understand just how crazy competitive he was and how it fueled him it’s like mamba Kobe times ten. No one’s drive comes even close. If Jordan was in his prime , sure Ja could cook him from time to time but Jordan would remember and completely destroy him in every way the next time they met in a game. You apparently have no idea that man’s will to win and be the best. Literally some of the most amaizing elite players are ring-less because Mike refused to lose. He isn’t the goat simply because he was so talented, which he was he was as good as he was because he was so much more driven than anyone Jordan mentally was on another level entirely like 3 or 4 levels in reality.
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I appreciate everything that Jordan was in his day. He was light years ahead of his competition for his day. His competitiveness was legendary.

My point is about the evolution of basketball. In MJ's day, there weren't guys trained and built to stop guys like him. Now, everybody has to learn how to try to guard guys like MJ. He could be the most competitive guy in the world, but if he brought his prime self up against Kawhi Leonard, it would be unlike anything he ever saw in his day. And sure people could make the argument that he saw Pippen in practice, but MJ still never saw a guy like that in a competitive game.

If MJ was born in 1990 and grew up training in today's environment, he was an all time great so I'm sure he would have developed better range, etc. But those are just assumptions. I'm just talking about what MJ's skill set was at his prime versus an evolved NBA now. DeRozan just averaged 28ppg, 5+rpg and almost 5apg. He relied on less than 1 3 pointer per game just like Jordan usually averaged.
 
LoPo said:
I know it's an unpopular opinion, but I think prime Jordan wouldn't have dominated today's game. He would have been very good, DeRozan good, but not what he was in his era.
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But this opinion of yours is an example of inflationary metaphysics that goes beyond all empirical evidence. Commit it to the flames, for it contains nothing but sophistry and illusion.
 
Let me clarify my statement. MJ would be better than DeMar DeRozan due to the intangibles that MJ brings to the table. However, I don't think he dominates the modern game like he did his era, if you dropped him into this era right now.
 
Thee Idiotic Minivan K said:
You do realize that all the rules in todays nba completely hangs defense out to dry where as you could hack the offense to death and not get called right?
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This narrative is so false. Sure, MJ faced some contact during the Bad Boys era. And you know what, he lost those matchups.

After MJ finally beat the Bad Boys (when they were called so much tighter), he never faced that kind of contact again. You couldn't touch MJ. Everything was a foul.
 
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