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2023 NBA Draft Megathread

Handlogten's Heros said:
I also think NBA space will benefit him... and NBA talent... I know he has NSJ and Walsh but smith has been hurt and Walsh can't score. Council is up and down. I just watch him make good passes that get fumbled or he's running plays to nowhere because he doesn't have shooters.

I get it though... the ugly moments are not just his situation. He threw at least one awful pick 6 pass in the game and he lets guys go under screens without much thought of shooting at times.
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We are seeing the exact same thing.
 
Bodhi said:
We are seeing the exact same thing.
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And all my views on him are clouded a bit by Vecenie waxing on about the type of kid he is and the baller he is. True gym rat and you can see him on the court doing stuff he's supposed to... he's out there trying to win and execute the plan. I like that he went somewhere with a high level recruit too... like he just seems to be about the right things and if the shooting gets good then he's a problem.
 
seattlejazzfan said:
honestly i'm not sure what makes nick smith an nba player. he's not big, he's not strong, he's not quick, he's not a vertical athlete, he's not shooter, he's not a PG so he's small for his position.

he has some scoring chops, but honestly, a non-athlete who is small for his position should shoot better than 29% from three.
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He looks average at best since the injury, and in college in general even before the injury, has had a limited role as a playmaker. But, if you watch some old film before college, it is clear he has top 10 pick court vision, Sexton speed, a decent scoring toolbox , albeit not natural looking jumper from deep , but a consistently reliable one nonetheless.
I wouldn't take him too high, if the draft was today, because of the potential medical flags,especially if I didn't have first hand access to them. With a clean BOH he is a lottery pick no regrets to all 14 pick owners.
He does need to get a lot stronger and is not a win now prospect at all.
 
Someone compared Black to Kyle Andrson earlier and while that is bad, Black is closer to Kyle Anderson as an "archetype" than he is Tyrese Haliburton.

To me Haliburton is as close a true PG as you get in modern NBA. He truly manipulates defenses and moves them as a PNR player. He's tall (but he's got mediocre length for his height and is pretty skinny). He uses his size effectively to make plays out of the PNR and to get his weird **** off, but he isn't using his size like Black to get into the paint and draw fouls/finish.

Black is a fluid athlete with good size/handle combination who uses his downhill ability to make plays. He's probably going to put on some good muscle and be someone who is playing in that 210-220 range. If the off the dribble 3pt jumper never materializes he isn't a starting NBA PG imo, he's a secondary playmaking wing/guard. I don't think he has that high-level attacking athletic ability overcome lack of off the dribble shooting, which would force him off ball more where he can shoot an easier set **** and attack close outs and just generally be put into better positions to use his playmaking ability all over the court rather than being someone who is more primarily bringing it up and running PNR.
 
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The common high upside comp (once you accept that he is probably best in a non primary role) that guys like Black usually get are Igoudala.
 
Bodhi said:
I flip flop on Black by the day or even half. Watched the Miss St game last night and the dude is so confusing.

Love his size and handle for the size but he's been pegged as a great defender and as many times you show him doing well on that end you can also show him being lost and leaving his feet too often. He is someone you really have to project what he can be with good coaching and development. He's still in my top 15 but it goes from like 6th to 15th sometimes by the possession with him.
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Don’t lose faith, my friend. Black is the answer.

But seriously, I get your point. That Miss State game had all the good and bad. I just feel that if you can get a wing sized ballhandler/playmaker, especially with his apparent character and work ethic, you almost have to go for it (and hope he’s not the second coming of DedEx).
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
The common high upside comp (once you accept that he is probably best in a non primary role) that guys like Black usually get are Igoudala.
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I think he has the handle and passing to run a team... whether that is a primary or not in today's NBA I'm not sure. I think he will be on ball a lot more than Iggy (also doesn't have Iggy's amazing athleticism). If he is playing more on the wing I'd guess it looks similar to what Franz is like or something like that I guess.
 
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