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KqWIN said:
I do not listen to Locke anymore, especially for draft stuff since a Jazz higher up is not telling him who the Jazz are drafting anymore lol.

But is he still doing the transition percentile = athleticism? Because that is one of the prime examples of Locke being a terrible numbers guy despite advertising himself as a numbers guy. He should not be taken seriously.
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Rich coming from the dude who comped Amari Bailey and Anthony Black.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
What other stats should he use? Yall are such babies when it comes to Locke lmao
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To determine athleticism? Vertical. Timed sprints and such. Things of that nature.
 
fishonjazz said:
To determine athleticism? Vertical. Timed sprints and such. Things of that nature.
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They post those things for season stats? Good lord some of yall so daft. Also those things arent very good for basketball athleticism. What good is it if you run a 4.2 40 w/ a 40 inch vertical but you dont have the body control to finish in transition?

Locke is taking synergy stats and using them to guess what prospects are. Then he's going to bring in an actual draft guy who scouts these players to tell them what they actually are.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
They post those things for season stats? Good lord some of yall so daft. Also those things arent very good for basketball athleticism. What good is it if you run a 4.2 40 w/ a 40 inch vertical but you dont have the body control to finish in transition?

Locke is taking synergy stats and using them to guess what prospects are. Then he's going to bring in an actual draft guy who scouts these players to tell them what they actually are.
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I mean a couple posts back you made the statement that the twin are much more athletic than bilal. I assume you didn't have any stats that got you to that conclusion. If there are actual stats like vertical jump measurements to tell you how athletic someone is then use them. If there aren't actual athletic measurements then maybe just use your eyeballs, like you did, instead of making up some weird obscure stat that means nothing to anyone. I think that is the issue that some folks are having with locke. He sometimes kinda just makes up stats that dont really mean much to anyone. Its kinda his thing/schtick. It can be annoying.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Rich coming from the dude who comped Amari Bailey and Anthony Black.
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You used only fake made up arguments to say they are different and tried to lecture me on the fake things you made up. I don't know why you think this is an own when you use an example of when you used made up information. You cannot even deny the fake information you made up.
 
fishonjazz said:
I mean a couple posts back you made the statement that the twin are much more athletic than bilal. I assume you didn't have any stats that got you to that conclusion. If there are actual stats like vertical jump measurements to tell you how athletic someone is then use them. If there aren't actual athletic measurements then maybe just use your eyeballs, like you did, instead of making up some weird obscure stat that means nothing to anyone. I think that is the issue that some folks are having with locke. He sometimes kinda just makes up stats that dont really mean much to anyone. Its kinda his thing/schtick. It can be annoying.
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Brother I can show you combine results for dudes who have posted 38 inch verticals and then dude who have 32 inches and everyone would pick the guy with 32 as more athletic. Vertical is not a good marker for functional athletic ability in the NBA.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
What other stats should he use? Yall are such babies when it comes to Locke lmao
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I don't know what Locke does now, he is not worth a listen for me. But when I did listen, the transition -> athleticism stuff was obviously really bad. Maybe he's gotten better, I wouldn't know. Transition -> Athleticism isn't that bad of a logical line to draw....but he only uses transition efficiency, which is not useful. The best transition players aren't the players who are the most efficient, they are the one's who create the most transition opportunities. It's kinda like saying a 40% 3 point shooter who takes one per game is better than a 35% shooter who shoots 10 per game. You shouldn't really be relying on one number so significantly in the first place, but he's using one that's fairly useless for what he's trying to do anyways.
 
Locke is very transparent with what he's doing, I don't see the issue. I thought it was good insight actually. This model won't blow you away with the players it 'hit' on. But the players it red flagged makes it seem extremely solid, and if someone is grading out horribly in his metrics, it is definitely something to consider.
 
KqWIN said:
I don't know what Locke does now, he is not worth a listen for me. But when I did listen, the transition -> athleticism stuff was obviously really bad. Maybe he's gotten better, I wouldn't know. Transition -> Athleticism isn't that bad of a logical line to draw....but he only uses transition efficiency, which is not useful. The best transition players aren't the players who are the most efficient, they are the one's who create the most transition opportunities. It's kinda like saying a 40% 3 point shooter who takes one per game is better than a 35% shooter who shoots 10 per game. You shouldn't really be relying on one number so significantly in the first place, but he's using one that's fairly useless for what he's trying to do anyways.
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He uses more than transition numbers for his athleticism markers bud. Why are you going to talk **** on something you dont know about?
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
He uses more than transition numbers for his athleticism markers bud. Why are you going to talk **** on something you dont know about?
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Well that's why I asked, is he still doing the transition -> athleticism thing? Someone said yes, so why not comment on it? This example is easy to remember because it is generally how he does things. Like I said, if he's gotten better, good for him....maybe he's worth a listen again. But the awful statistical analysis is what made me not listen to begin with.

Why do you make up things out of thin air for the sake of argument? You will never answer that one unfortunately. You won't answer why Bailey and Black are so different either, you will just say something like "it's obvious".
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Brother I can show you combine results for dudes who have posted 38 inch verticals and then dude who have 32 inches and everyone would pick the guy with 32 as more athletic. Vertical is not a good marker for functional athletic ability in the NBA.
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Cool. I was simply explaining to you why some people dont like Locke. He makes up stats that mean nothing to anyone and that can get annoying to some people.
Just speaking for myself, i dont care. I have no dog in the fight. I neve listen to locke or read anything he writes (if he even writes stuff) or follow him on anything. What locke says and does has no effect on me personally and I dont really know much about him or his content. I have simply read what others seem to not like about him and Im passing that information on to you in case you missed it.
 
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