2024-25 Trade Rumors Thread

[NUMBERICA]

It would be such a low cost to the Spurs given how small Butler's market seems to be. Maybe they get lucky and Butler gets squeezed in UFA and he just comes back on a good contract because he wants to win rings with Wemby/Fox.

I love Jimmy Butler. I think he has lost his ****ing mind and I don’t think the Spurs want any of that around. They are in no hurry.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I do wonder if the Luka to LA deal has put any pressure on the Spurs to build faster. I think the Spurs were kind of looking like an ideal UFA destination because of Wemby, but nothing is going to beat Luka/LA for a top tier UFA.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Then they are going to waste a lot of time and never be a good team.

They would have like 170M+ committed to 4 guys in a year and a half. So they have to be a bit judicious. I think the Bulls wanted their own pick back which I get and I don't get cuz you can just tank and manage it. Their Gm is poopy trash though. I agree Magic need to do something but they also might write this season off due to injuries... shrug.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I love Jimmy Butler. I think he has lost his ****ing mind and I don’t think the Spurs want any of that around. They are in no hurry.

I mean, the Fox deal suggest there is some sort of hurry, or at least they are willing to buy low to make things happen faster. They could have waited 2 years and given up nothing for Fox, but they got him early.

Spurs probably have an air of "Spurs Culture" (ironic I know given Butler ****ed "Heat Culture").

Like, the deal I outlined, what pick would the Spurs be willing to give up? Certainly not the Hawks pick in 2027, but they have so many first to use of varying values.

 

[jazznik]

More or less. I’m not trying to dump him overboard, I just think thinking of trading him in general is worth considering when weighed against the return and where we actually are in the rebuild.

And do you have the tentative reasonable timeline of when the team will try to compete under this scenario? Say, the Jazz draft their centerpiece in 2026 and begin drafting future kesslers and sextons in 2027-29. It will take 2-3 years for all of those young players to develop, so the Jazz can finally try to make playoffs in 2031/32?

Are we even sure that that centerpiece will not force his way out after several years of being on an absolutely horrible team that has been tanking for a decade? And if so, what then? Rinse and repeat?

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I do wonder if the Luka to LA deal has put any pressure on the Spurs to build faster. I think the Spurs were kind of looking like an ideal UFA destination because of Wemby, but nothing is going to beat Luka/LA for a top tier UFA.

I don't think they feel any pressure. The deal they got for Fox kinda shows that. They gave up one of their premium picks, garbage contracts, a late first, and some seconds for an all-star (okay borderline in the west) pg in his prime. It was a very measured "here is our best offer and we are fine with you walking cuz we ain't all that concerned on hitting the gas".

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Trade also works with Sexton to SA and Clarkson to Miami.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I don't think they feel any pressure. The deal they got for Fox kinda shows that. They gave up one of their premium picks, garbage contracts, a late first, and some seconds for an all-star (okay borderline in the west) pg in his prime. It was a very measured "here is our best offer and we are fine with you walking cuz we ain't all that concerned on hitting the gas"

Yeah and they can do a similiar deal to get Butler, who is a better player and will be cheaper.

And I do think the Lakers deal added some pressure. They will have max space in 2026 along with the Heat, so the top two destination markets for elite UFA. Lakers now have Luka to make that market boom for any star who wants to join. Heat not so much, but it's still Miami, so the Spurs might not get "the guy" in UFA anymore and will have to settle for someone who isnt on the elite spectrum.

 

[NUMBERICA]

And do you have the tentative reasonable timeline of when the team will try to compete under this scenario? Say, the Jazz draft their centerpiece in 2026 and begin drafting future kesslers and sextons in 2027-29. It will take 2-3 years for all of those young players to develop, so the Jazz can finally try to make playoffs in 2031/32?

Are we even sure that that centerpiece will not force his way out after several years of being on an absolutely horrible team that has been tanking for a decade? And if so, what then? Rinse and repeat?

Who knows.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Like I get's it's farfetched because of Butler's antics this year, but Butler still has the capability to playing like a top 20 player and can probably turn it on in the playoff to look like a top 10 guy.

Fox is a top 30 guy.

Wemby has had stretches where he has looked like a top 5 player in the NBA.

The player John Collins has been this season is pretty close to an ideal fit next to Wemby now that his 3pt shot has shown over half a season of elite low-mid volume efficiency and the ability to pass.

Sexton has been an elite scorer this season on mid volume and can shoot.

So if you can add all that for just a pick or two, and not even the premium picks, why not? I get they like Vassell, but he hasnt shown crazy improvement and has been a bit disappointing overall.

You still have the golden tickets Hawks picks in 25/27. Just do it. Let Wemby have a chance at being the GOAT and winning rings now.

 

[NUMBERICA]

I mean, the Fox deal suggest there is some sort of hurry, or at least they are willing to buy low to make things happen faster. They could have waited 2 years and given up nothing for Fox, but they got him early.

Spurs probably have an air of "Spurs Culture" (ironic I know given Butler ****ed "Heat Culture").

Like, the deal I outlined, what pick would the Spurs be willing to give up? Certainly not the Hawks pick in 2027, but they have so many first to use of varying values.

Depends on how you categorize. I think the Spurs are only interested in trading superfluous draft assets. They have a bunch of swaps which they in most cases cannot trade. They actually just traded all of their superfluous 1sts (meaning 1st rounders beyond one 1st per year). They have a billion 2nds (many of them at the bottom of multiple swaps, so trash). They do have two remaining 1sts this year, but both could be in the lottery and this could be their last chance to have their own pick be worth a damn.

Long story short, I think it is gonna be almost impossible to pry any more 1sts out of them and probably easy to get 2nds. They may be willing to part with a swap if the right magical scenario arises (such as a multi-team involving the team whose swap rights they own, i.e. Sacramento).

 

[KqWIN]

I picked a great weekend to get out of town. Easily the most shocking NBA trade I can remember. Still having a hard time processing it, but my initial reaction is that it pays to do business with dummies. This is true for both the Luka and Fox trades.