2024-25 Trade Rumors Thread

[Handlogten's Heros]

Don't get trade horny and make a decision you'll regret in the morning.

 

[KqWIN]

I need a real honest to goodness first for Sexton or else I hold. I see no need to sell him off for salvage value while the tank if tanking so hard right now. I really don't care about improving his trade value. I don't see it as a done deal that he wouldn't stay. Not even sure what we'd do with cap space if they found a salary dump deal for him.

Salary dump Clarkson if you can.

We have an issue but we don't need to solve it in a rushed fashion that returns no value.

You seem to working from the perspective of winning the trade, and I can understand that......but my perspective is that even if Sexton ought to be "worth" something, we're still probably better off without him. I'll ask you this, if Sexton was a free agent....would you sign him to the exact contract he has now (and you get bird rights ect)? For me, that answer would be a very easy NO. The only reasons why you would want Sexton right now on his current deal are 1) he helps you win even in a smaller role or 2) you think he can become more than he is. Reason number one is obviously a negative for the Jazz, we don't want to win and we have eliminated any potential of reason number two. Is there another good reason to have him? The only things I can come up with is that you might be able to trade him for something or you have bird rights on him two years from now. IMO, it is not worth it. I'd rather have an expiring contract. I'll take the less wins, open roster spot, increased in minutes available, and cap space next year over the potential that we trade Sexton for something or re-sign two years from now.

I hope we can get creative and get a first from someone like ORL....but if all that's out there is expiring contracts, I think we're just better off. Even if Sexton went on to level up elsewhere, I would not regret it because there was no chance it could have happened in UTA.

 

[Tremendous Upside]

Even if Sexton went on to level up elsewhere, I would not regret it because there was no chance it could have happened in UTA.

He's not leveling up. He's a 6 foot shoot-first jitterbug guard who'll be 26 in January. Those guys don't age that well.

 

[homeytennis]

He's not leveling up. He's a 6 foot shoot-first jitterbug guard who'll be 26 in January. Those guys don't age that well.

John Stockton aged pretty well.

 

[Tremendous Upside]

John Stockton aged pretty well.

Yeah, and Chris Paul. It helps somewhat if you're literally a basketball genius headed to the HOF. Sexton is just a dude relying on his quickness.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

You seem to working from the perspective of winning the trade, and I can understand that......but my perspective is that even if Sexton ought to be "worth" something, we're still probably better off without him. I'll ask you this, if Sexton was a free agent....would you sign him to the exact contract he has now (and you get bird rights ect)? For me, that answer would be a very easy NO. The only reasons why you would want Sexton right now on his current deal are 1) he helps you win even in a smaller role or 2) you think he can become more than he is. Reason number one is obviously a negative for the Jazz, we don't want to win and we have eliminated any potential of reason number two. Is there another good reason to have him? The only things I can come up with is that you might be able to trade him for something or you have bird rights on him two years from now. IMO, it is not worth it. I'd rather have an expiring contract. I'll take the less wins, open roster spot, increased in minutes available, and cap space next year over the potential that we trade Sexton for something or re-sign two years from now.

I see what you are saying and appreciate the logic but wouldn't we evaluate Lauri the same way then? He hurts our ability to lose games... not likely to be a whole lot more than he already is... we can certainly trade him for something later though but not sure it will be more than we could have gotten this summer.

With Sexton I would take him on his current deal if that was the only use I could have for that space. I do think he is an asset and helps us win a little now which is negative... but does trading him move us below the Wiz? Nah. Raps? maybe... not sure. If he moves your odds from 2nd to 4th or 5th I get it... but I don't think he does. I think he can help us later and I do think having him in the locker room and as an example is positive. With how cap space works I am not sure you find a better use for his 18M this year or next. On an expiring deal this summer you may be able to parlay him and Collins or JC for a bigger deal if you decide to push in. Not sure dropping his salary provides any functional cap space.

I also don't think moving him for nothing really opens up playing time or a lot of oxygen for someone else. I think JC/Key would take up a chunk of that. I think Sexton has as much chance to contribute to winning in 2-3 years as Key does. JC is the guy to move for nothing or even negative value if you have to sacrifice. I think if Sexton roles out JC takes up more oxygen and there may not be as much room or added dev time as we think.

If his value not much right now I wait. It isn't necessarily about him increasing his value or play but just holding his value until a buyer wants to purchase what he brings.

I hope we can get creative and get a first from someone like ORL....but if all that's out there is expiring contracts, I think we're just better off. Even if Sexton went on to level up elsewhere, I would not regret it because there was no chance it could have happened in UTA.

Ehhhh... you are a little too rigid here. He has leveled up here... while he may have plateaued or even down shifted a bit, its tough to give him a perfectly fair evaluation of what he can or is here. I think of it kinda like OKC or Orlando... they kept helpful young vets around even when trying to lose. Kept some around for later. Worst case Sexton plays well and wins a few extra games... naturally if he is playing that well his value should increase or maybe just his chances of being given more opportunities here would jump up. Until you know what the cap space brings, especially for us, I think the mystery bag is overrated.

Maybe by the trade deadline I'd be ready to punt... but I think that deal is always going to be there unless he gets hurt. In which case... he helps the tank by being hurt.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Now that DLo is again out of favor with the Lakers (depends on which messaging you listen to) I think a JC for Dlo deal can happen. Would save the Lakers like 10-20M+ between tax and salary. They get a bench gunner for their bench gunner and get the vibes of JC.

There are other variations that might also save them some additional money like adding Eubanks and taking JHS/Wood or adding Svi for JHS. Could do a big money saver like JC/Svi for Dlo/JHS/Wood... we'd need to waive Patty but nbd there.

 

[KqWIN]

I see what you are saying and appreciate the logic but wouldn't we evaluate Lauri the same way then? He hurts our ability to lose games... not likely to be a whole lot more than he already is... we can certainly trade him for something later though but not sure it will be more than we could have gotten this summer.

With Sexton I would take him on his current deal if that was the only use I could have for that space. I do think he is an asset and helps us win a little now which is negative... but does trading him move us below the Wiz? Nah. Raps? maybe... not sure. If he moves your odds from 2nd to 4th or 5th I get it... but I don't think he does. I think he can help us later and I do think having him in the locker room and as an example is positive. With how cap space works I am not sure you find a better use for his 18M this year or next. On an expiring deal this summer you may be able to parlay him and Collins or JC for a bigger deal if you decide to push in. Not sure dropping his salary provides any functional cap space.

I also don't think moving him for nothing really opens up playing time or a lot of oxygen for someone else. I think JC/Key would take up a chunk of that. I think Sexton has as much chance to contribute to winning in 2-3 years as Key does. JC is the guy to move for nothing or even negative value if you have to sacrifice. I think if Sexton roles out JC takes up more oxygen and there may not be as much room or added dev time as we think.

If his value not much right now I wait. It isn't necessarily about him increasing his value or play but just holding his value until a buyer wants to purchase what he brings.

Lauri is good enough to be a big part of the future. Max players, who are valued as such around the league, do not grow on trees. He is the player you tank for. Sexton, on the other hand, is at maximum a bench player for us. Is he actually capable of being better than that? Maybe? Will it happen here? No chance, like I said we've self eliminated that possibility. Whatever winning Lauri causes now, it's a good bet that it will be worth it for the future value he will provide.

You can downplay the negatives of keeping him all you want. I was the one confident that this team was bad since you were worried that Bazley was going to ruin our tank. The point is, having here and winning games will result in some amount of wins over the next to seasons. Maybe it's only a spot or two, maybe it's none at all. Point is that he does make you win more and that only has negative impact on the franchise. By keeping him, you get basically nothing positive. Bird rights two years from now? Hope of an actual trade when you are constantly negging his value? I'm going to be honest, I don't value that at all. The negative, even if it's not that much, outweighs the positive here.

I haven't even commented on whether or not I actually think Sexton is good, and that's intentional. I don't think it matters. The Jazz are guaranteeing the worst case scenario for his career, so it doesn't matter if he could be better. We won't allow it to happen, so just let him go. It benefits nobody for Sexton to be on this team. Trade him or play him.

Ehhhh... you are a little too rigid here. He has leveled up here... while he may have plateaued or even down shifted a bit, its tough to give him a perfectly fair evaluation of what he can or is here. I think of it kinda like OKC or Orlando... they kept helpful young vets around even when trying to lose. Kept some around for later. Worst case Sexton plays well and wins a few extra games... naturally if he is playing that well his value should increase or maybe just his chances of being given more opportunities here would jump up. Until you know what the cap space brings, especially for us, I think the mystery bag is overrated.

Maybe by the trade deadline I'd be ready to punt... but I think that deal is always going to be there unless he gets hurt. In which case... he helps the tank by being hurt.

He leveled up last year and the Jazz obviously still don't believe in him. If I had to guess nobody else in the league does either. I don't think there is a deal available for any positive value or he'd already be gone. There MIGHT be a deal for expirings, but we don't know that. All I know is that right now, Sexton is clearly producing negative value for the franchise and unlike Lauri he does not have much promise of future value for the franchise. At maximum, we are losing the bird rights to a future 6th man the coach hates anyways.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Lauri is good enough to be a big part of the future. Max players, who are valued as such around the league, do not grow on trees. He is the player you tank for. Sexton, on the other hand, is at maximum a bench player for us. Is he actually capable of being better than that? Maybe? Will it happen here? No chance, like I said we've self eliminated that possibility. Whatever winning Lauri causes now, it's a good bet that it will be worth it for the future value he will provide.

You can downplay the negatives of keeping him all you want. I was the one confident that this team was bad since you were worried that Bazley was going to ruin our tank. The point is, having here and winning games will result in some amount of wins over the next to seasons. Maybe it's only a spot or two, maybe it's none at all. Point is that he does make you win more and that only has negative impact on the franchise. By keeping him, you get basically nothing positive. Bird rights two years from now? Hope of an actual trade when you are constantly negging his value? I'm going to be honest, I don't value that at all. The negative, even if it's not that much, outweighs the positive here.

I haven't even commented on whether or not I actually think Sexton is good, and that's intentional. I don't think it matters. The Jazz are guaranteeing the worst case scenario for his career, so it doesn't matter if he could be better. We won't allow it to happen, so just let him go. It benefits nobody for Sexton to be on this team. Trade him or play him.



He leveled up last year and the Jazz obviously still don't believe in him. If I had to guess nobody else in the league does either. I don't think there is a deal available for any positive value or he'd already be gone. There MIGHT be a deal for expirings, but we don't know that. All I know is that right now, Sexton is clearly producing negative value for the franchise and unlike Lauri he does not have much promise of future value for the franchise. At maximum, we are losing the bird rights to a future 6th man the coach hates anyways.

You are kind of all over the place and also speaking in absolutes about the future. Not sure we can have a super productive conversation. And I know it won't be short.

We will see what rumors start flying with the trade market really opens up on 12/15.

 

[KqWIN]

You are kind of all over the place and also speaking in absolutes about the future. Not sure we can have a super productive conversation. And I know it won't be short.

We will see what rumors start flying with the trade market really opens up on 12/15.

It's really a simple message, there is little to no benefit to keeping Sexton while there is some negative to keeping him. If you value his bird rights two years from now over the cost of keeping him (tanking, salary, playing time), we can agree to disagree.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

It's really a simple message, there is little to no benefit to keeping Sexton while there is some negative to keeping him. If you value his bird rights two years from now over the cost of keeping him (tanking, salary, playing time), we can agree to disagree.

Its that simple if you assume you know what his value is to 30 nba teams and what the future holds and shut down any possible outcomes other than ones you have pre-determined to be true.

The salary thing only really matters if we move Collins too. Moving Sexton for an expiring opens up no functional cap space this summer. Maybe it opens up a sliver of room to take on a small salary dump worth a second... but that isn't really something we have worried much about in the past. I could argue his expiring deal next year actually offers us more maneuverability than any space we'd open up.

Making judgements on what you think the org thinks about a player based on how we are allocating minutes and opportunity during a tank year requires a lot of assumptions. Brice played a lot down the stretch last night. I don't think it was what Hardy thought would maximize their chances at winning. I also don't think closing with Collier over Collin was necessarily about winning. I don't think it means Hardy hates Collin. It also could absolutely all be true... but if I declare to know his thoughts and say that its definitively true then there is no real discussion to be had... and its a pretty big assumption.

I would not trade Collin for simply expiring salary. If DA was willing to do that then I think he'd have a few takers right now. He'd also have to face some backlash since these decisions are not made in a vacuum. Its part of why he'd likely be more patient and seek out a more acceptable deal. Giving away good players on fair deals simply to be worse just isn't ideal. If you get something of value you can use in the future and get worse... then I guess go for it.

 

[NUMBERICA]

Might be a hot take, but I'd trade Sexton for neutral value right now. There's no light at the end of the tunnel here, he will just leave at the end of his contract and there won't be an attempt by either side to continue the partnership. I think the damage done to our tanking efforts from him outweighs the potential we re-sign him later.

New Orleans or Philly, then.

Actually, sending JC to Philly might be extra nice for them since they seem to have an awful locker room and his vibes might have good value in that context.

 

[KqWIN]

Its that simple if you assume you know what his value is to 30 nba teams and what the future holds and shut down any possible outcomes other than ones you have pre-determined to be true.

The salary thing only really matters if we move Collins too. Moving Sexton for an expiring opens up no functional cap space this summer. Maybe it opens up a sliver of room to take on a small salary dump worth a second... but that isn't really something we have worried much about in the past. I could argue his expiring deal next year actually offers us more maneuverability than any space we'd open up.

Making judgements on what you think the org thinks about a player based on how we are allocating minutes and opportunity during a tank year requires a lot of assumptions. Brice played a lot down the stretch last night. I don't think it was what Hardy thought would maximize their chances at winning. I also don't think closing with Collier over Collin was necessarily about winning. I don't think it means Hardy hates Collin. It also could absolutely all be true... but if I declare to know his thoughts and say that its definitively true then there is no real discussion to be had... and its a pretty big assumption.

I would not trade Collin for simply expiring salary. If DA was willing to do that then I think he'd have a few takers right now. He'd also have to face some backlash since these decisions are not made in a vacuum. Its part of why he'd likely be more patient and seek out a more acceptable deal. Giving away good players on fair deals simply to be worse just isn't ideal. If you get something of value you can use in the future and get worse... then I guess go for it.

If you think Sexton has any future here, that is an assumption as well. So what do we do, bury our heads in the sand and have no opinions or are we here to discuss our opinions on the Sexton situation? There is a long standing pattern of behavior that reflects the outlook on Sexton. You can call it an assumption, it is an informed opinion. Feel free to disagree if you please, my opinion is based on his role over the past two years and how he was treated in spite of spectacular play.

What we don’t know is how the league values him. Maybe he has great offers on the table and DA is holding out. We can guess, I’m speculating that we don’t. But my point is if it was Sexton vs expiring, the Jazz franchise is better off with the expiring. I would love it if we got something….but I would rather have the expiring vs keeping him for the next two years.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

If you think Sexton has any future here, that is an assumption as well. So what do we do, bury our heads in the sand and have no opinions or are we here to discuss our opinions on the Sexton situation? There is a long standing pattern of behavior that reflects the outlook on Sexton. You can call it an assumption, it is an informed opinion. Feel free to disagree if you please, my opinion is based on his role over the past two years and how he was treated in spite of spectacular play.

When you say things like "they are guaranteeing his worst case scenario" and "there is no chance of xyz" or "by keeping him you get nothing positive" or "If you value his bird rights two years from now over the cost of keeping him (tanking, salary, playing time)" then it really isn't stated as opinion and ignores an infinite range of possible scenarios because you are making a BUNCH of assumptions.

I would keep him over an expiring contract as I think the net positive outweighs the net negative. A million things could happen that make that potentially untrue.

He has improved his value tremendously over the last 13 months under the current approach. How can we say it can't get even more spectacular and increase it more or maybe convince the org he is a bigger part of the future? Why wouldn't we be putting him out there for 34 minutes a night right now? Is it possible we have different goals than winning?

What we don’t know is how the league values him. Maybe he has great offers on the table and DA is holding out. We can guess, I’m speculating that we don’t.

We likely don't have good offers right now because the league works in transaction cycles. Could we force a deal... probably. Does Sexton hurt the tank so much over the next 25-30 games that we shouldn't hold out for the part of the transaction cycle that will yield the best deal? I say no.

But my point is if it was Sexton vs expiring, the Jazz franchise is better off with the expiring. I would love it if we got something….but I would rather have the expiring vs keeping him for the next two years.

There is a range of outcomes here too. We keep him until the deadline and move him. We move him this summer. We move him during the year next year. Its not just keep him for 2 years or move off the money. At any of those points you likely yield more future value for Collin than you would for renting cap space out. You could also sign a FA but they likely aren't better than Collin is on his deal. The only negative really is he helps you win... but if he does that in meaningful ways I'm going to go ahead and guess other GMs see that. If your GM is doing his job and you have something good to offer... over time a buyer materializes. Even if its mid value like we got for Tech last year... it can turn into something solid. The longer the sample size of health and production gets, the more buyers will believe.

Also, have you looked at the cap situation. Getting an expiring for him doesn't really help us at all this summer. A roster spot? yeah we are giving Mills a roster spot lol... that doesn't mean anything at all to me. Playing time? Sure we can see what Brice has to offer I suppose. There are other ways to open up playing time though.

IF having Collin actually threatens the tank then we can sell him off for nothing. As of right now the tank is rolling. I will adjust my thinking if that changes.

 

[KqWIN]

When you say things like "they are guaranteeing his worst case scenario" and "there is no chance of xyz" or "by keeping him you get nothing positive" or "If you value his bird rights two years from now over the cost of keeping him (tanking, salary, playing time)" then it really isn't stated as opinion and ignores an infinite range of possible scenarios because you are making a BUNCH of assumptions.

I would keep him over an expiring contract as I think the net positive outweighs the net negative. A million things could happen that make that potentially untrue.

He has improved his value tremendously over the last 13 months under the current approach. How can we say it can't get even more spectacular and increase it more or maybe convince the org he is a bigger part of the future? Why wouldn't we be putting him out there for 34 minutes a night right now? Is it possible we have different goals than winning?



We likely don't have good offers right now because the league works in transaction cycles. Could we force a deal... probably. Does Sexton hurt the tank so much over the next 25-30 games that we shouldn't hold out for the part of the transaction cycle that will yield the best deal? I say no.

There is a range of outcomes here too. We keep him until the deadline and move him. We move him this summer. We move him during the year next year. Its not just keep him for 2 years or move off the money. At any of those points you likely yield more future value for Collin than you would for renting cap space out. You could also sign a FA but they likely aren't better than Collin is on his deal. The only negative really is he helps you win... but if he does that in meaningful ways I'm going to go ahead and guess other GMs see that. If your GM is doing his job and you have something good to offer... over time a buyer materializes. Even if its mid value like we got for Tech last year... it can turn into something solid. The longer the sample size of health and production gets, the more buyers will believe.

Also, have you looked at the cap situation. Getting an expiring for him doesn't really help us at all this summer. A roster spot? yeah we are giving Mills a roster spot lol... that doesn't mean anything at all to me. Playing time? Sure we can see what Brice has to offer I suppose. There are other ways to open up playing time though.

IF having Collin actually threatens the tank then we can sell him off for nothing. As of right now the tank is rolling. I will adjust my thinking if that changes.

As I’ve said many times before, play him or trade him. You’re going to go crazy because I’m “assuming”….but yes, I think Sexton has zero chance of changing his status as long as we keep denying him the opportunity to do so. Maybe you believe he can change without a chance, I do not. Having that opportunity to do those things is a necessary component for me. If we were playing him and not actively nerfing his value/any chance at being a star I wouldn’t be saying we trade him for nothing. But as long as we keep negging him, nothing is better than keeping him. Fair or not, I think there’s skepticism out there that Sexton is actually a starter in this league. Oooh scary assumption, whatever. The way the Jazz have treated Sexton has reinforced that skepticism more than anything. It’s not helping his value.

I’m guessing we can all agree that the winning value he provides the next two years on the court is essentially negative no matter how large or small you think 25 mpg of Sexton is. Tanking is the entire point of this year and likely next year though…so all the small things with tanking are important.

You may not think the negatives of keeping are very important, but like I said…what are the benefits to keeping him? Extremely low in my opinion. I’m not keeping Sexton in the hopes of trading him for more (while we’re simultaneously dropping his trade value) or re-signing him two years from now. If you think keeping him is better, you also need assumptions to get there. If you assume something positive can happen, such as us getting good trade value for him or re-sign him certainly one could also assume those things don’t happen.

My feeling on the current situation is that we are headed directly towards Sexton walking in two years and it will cost a lotto spot or two in the upcoming drafts. While I’d like something more positive to happen (and it certainly could), I want to avoid the aforementioned scenario. Losing more potential lotto balls is more important than potentially gaining some bad first or whatever.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

As I’ve said many times before, play him or trade him. You’re going to go crazy because I’m “assuming”….but yes, I think Sexton has zero chance of changing his status as long as we keep denying him the opportunity to do so. Maybe you believe he can change without a chance, I do not. Having that opportunity to do those things is a necessary component for me. If we were playing him and not actively nerfing his value/any chance at being a star I wouldn’t be saying we trade him for nothing. But as long as we keep negging him, nothing is better than keeping him. Fair or not, I think there’s skepticism out there that Sexton is actually a starter in this league. Oooh scary assumption, whatever. The way the Jazz have treated Sexton has reinforced that skepticism more than anything. It’s not helping his value.

They are playing him. He has increased his value under this approach. Will it increase further or will they give him more rope (like they have done since last year)? Maybe.

I’m guessing we can all agree that the winning value he provides the next two years on the court is essentially negative no matter how large or small you think 25 mpg of Sexton is. Tanking is the entire point of this year and likely next year though…so all the small things with tanking are important.

I don't know that we are tanking next year. I don't think DA looks that far ahead.

You may not think the negatives of keeping are very important, but like I said…what are the benefits to keeping him? Extremely low in my opinion. I’m not keeping Sexton in the hopes of trading him for more (while we’re simultaneously dropping his trade value) or re-signing him two years from now. If you think keeping him is better, you also need assumptions to get there. If you assume something positive can happen, such as us getting good trade value for him or re-sign him certainly one could also assume those things don’t happen.

We aren't dropping his value. It has increased since the start of the last season substantially. I doubt we even shopped him that hard. If we move him for nothing then it removes the chance you get something for him. I think (notice how I didn't GUARANTEE) we can do better than nothing. And you are ignoring our cap situation. His contract may be of more use than actual cap space in trades this summer.

Benefits - Whatever you get in a trade above nothing, having a good player on an expiring deal to use in a trade to take on bad salary at draft time or in the summer (we won't have space), the fact these are real people and Collin has an epic work ethic and attitude which is something you want around developing players, helping to be functional as getting blown out every night does not help you have meaningful development time for the youth. You need a minimum competence/talent level and dropping below that could hurt dev.

Negatives - he helps us win a couple extra games this season. There are lots of other places we can find playing time.

My feeling on the current situation is that we are headed directly towards Sexton walking in two years and it will cost a lotto spot or two in the upcoming drafts. While I’d like something more positive to happen (and it certainly could), I want to avoid the aforementioned scenario. Losing more potential lotto balls is more important than potentially gaining some bad first or whatever.

Yeah it would suck to lose a spot or two in the lotto this year. We could move him next year or at the deadline so I'm not baking that into the cost of keeping him right now. We may want to try and bounce back next year and then the Collin's on court value is much more important.

If we want to actually impact our ability to lose then trading Walker is a way more effective path and will likely yield something positive.

Finally, I really don't care if you think trading him for nothing is the route to go here. I just think positioning it as - Nothing (plus the benefit of losing a little more) > His bird rights in 2 years - ignores a ton of additional outcomes.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I just think its kind of odd to assume that the guy who has increased his value substantially and has increased his role (although we think it should be more) is somehow not going to be able to keep or increase his value further. Especially when role right now has nothing to do with winning because of how we are playing. If his value is so depressed then yes in 2 years we might have a steal on his contract.

Like "there is no way this guy will be able to have success doing the thing he has had success doing over the past 13 months."

 

[KqWIN]

I just think its kind of odd to assume that the guy who has increased his value substantially and has increased his role (although we think it should be more) is somehow not going to be able to keep or increase his value further. Especially when role right now has nothing to do with winning because of how we are playing. If his value is so depressed then yes in 2 years we might have a steal on his contract.

Like "there is no way this guy will be able to have success doing the thing he has had success doing over the past 13 months."

He may have increased his value since his CLE days, or maybe he has not. Look at you assuming things! What I mean is that he will not elevate his value over what it currently is. In other words, he will not level up until he has the opportunity to do so. We all think his role should be more, he can never prove it until he has it. That is what I mean by guaranteeing a ceiling on him. Nobody is going to think he’s more than his role without him actually getting that role.

For example, we were talking about him as potentially the next Brunson or general breakout star, and maybe he is! But the fact is he will never get a chance to prove that without opportunity. Again, play him or trade him. I do not think you can be a breakout star when your minutes are either being artificially limited or the coach legitimately thinks some of the worst players in the league are more deserving of time. If you told me that going forward Hardy was going to give Sexton that chance to be more than he is I’d be all for it.

If he’s just a future 6th man and not a real starter, it’s not worth it to me to keep him. He’s not Lauri. When tanking is the primary goal, I don’t find role players important to hold onto. Perhaps there is more value than nothing out there for a good role player and that’s what we’re holding out for…My ASSUMPTION based on everything we’ve talked about is that there is not an offer out there. You assume differently, that’s all this is.

 

[HermanG]

I just think its kind of odd to assume that the guy who has increased his value substantially and has increased his role (although we think it should be more) is somehow not going to be able to keep or increase his value further. Especially when role right now has nothing to do with winning because of how we are playing. If his value is so depressed then yes in 2 years we might have a steal on his contract.

Like "there is no way this guy will be able to have success doing the thing he has had success doing over the past 13 months."

I actually think Sexton may be more valuable as an expiring next season. His skillset is exactly the 1 year rental type where you know you get the immediate scoring help but you dont want to take a risk of handicapping yourself for next year if he doesnt fit.

20M 6-1 combo guard with limited playmaking and defense isnt on the checklist of building the perfect contender and thus you probably want to "test the product" first. If he doesnt fit, that 2nd year for 20M carries a big opportunity cost (or you have to burn another asset to dump him).

Outside of their core, contenders want flexibility to retool on the fringes to find the correct combination. Im pretty sure Sexton is seen as a fringe guy. No one points at him saying thats the missing piece from our core.

 

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We aren't dropping his value. It has increased since the start of the last season substantially.

I have absolutely no idea what this take could be based on.

When you're a 26 year old role player, well known around the league, your value doesn't really fluctuate in the short term anyway. It's mainly based on two things:

1) Your reputation as a player
2) Your contract situation

Sexton has been more or less the same player from the moment he first stepped on an NBA floor. Sure he's matured as a person, but all the same on-court strengths and weaknesses are still there.

Sexton is nobody's idea of a guy whose game is going to age well. He's entering the last phase of his career – probably 2-3 years – where he can still depend on his quickness. After that, he's done.