2024 NBA Draft Mega Thread

[KqWIN]

To me I had the perfect low end outcome for Castle.

It's Okoro. Nearly the exact same size as Freshman. Very similar "do it all" playstyles. Both poor shooters in college. Both high IQ connectors on offense (though that hasnt really translated for Okoro to the NBA).

Okoro became a better shooter, but he never learned to be a primary player at the NBA level. Never even really tried either. I could see that outcome for Castle. I really dont see Castle never learning how to be a respectable open 3pt shooter. Sure, that will scare some people, but Okoro is still a viable NBA rotation player.

I see Bruce Brown. That's who comes to mind when I see Castle operating inside the paint and making smart plays, I think Brown is overrated on defense, however, and I think Castle will be better.

Okoro is an interesting name. I think Castle has more ball skills. The difference in them as prospects is that Okoro was A+ getting to the basket and finishing/getting fouled. It didn't materialize into anything in the NBA because he's not a good enough ball handler. Castle was not quite as good at the basket in college, but I think he will have more success at the next level.

 

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Here is an interesting question… swap Sheppard’s and Castle’s roles and teams… who ends up being the higher ranked consensus prospect? I think it’s Sheppard very easily.

Jack Gohlke would never have scored 32 points off the bench on 10 of 20 three pointers against Castle. I like both Reed and Castle and would be happy with the Jazz getting either player, but they each have their own roles and advantages.

 

[Elizah Huge]

Holy ****… Cy might be on to something.

Okoro’s per 40 stats as a freshman:

16.3 PPG, 5.6 RPG, 2.6 APG, 1.2 SPG, 1.1 BPG, 28.6 3PT% (3.2 attempts), 67.2 FT%

Castle’s per 40 stats as a freshman:

16.4 PPG, 6.9 RPG, 4.3 APG, 1.2 SPG, 0.8 BPG, 26.7 3PT% (3.3 attempts), 75.5 FT%

Both are 6’6 with 6’8 wingspans

That is wild

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Well, you seemed to have a problem with me saying that one off anecdotes are bad. Did you forget what post you responded to and the line you bolded? What are we talking about here lol. You asked how me how it worked if not anecdotes, and I'm telling you it works by not using anecdotes.

The indicators on the indicators. Free throws and threes are well known indicators, and we have sites that produce an expectation based on them If you want to add your own personal touch on top of that, go ahead...too each their own. All I said is that you shouldn't pull up a random anecdote to prove something one way or another.

Anecdotes whether good or bad are something you should use. It felt like a shot because I definitely listed off like 10 names on the pod of guys with the shooting indicators that it did or didn't work out for. Honestly the examples are about all we have. Their prediction value obviously not perfect... some guys with his shooting profile ended up being able to shoot some didn't. If all we did was say the shooting percentages are good so they will be a good shooter... then the draft wouldn't be hard. The draft is hard.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Holy ****… Cy might be on to something.

Okoro’s per 40 stats as a freshman:

16.3 PPG, 5.6 RPG, 2.6 APG, 1.2 SPG, 1.1 BPG, 28.6 3PT% (3.2 attempts), 67.2 FT%

Castle’s per 40 stats as a freshman:

16.4 PPG, 6.9 RPG, 4.3 APG, 1.2 SPG, 0.8 BPG, 26.7 3PT% (3.3 attempts), 75.5 FT%

Both are 6’6 with 6’8 wingspans

That is wild

Bruh... I literally threw this one out there on the pod.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

To me I had the perfect low end outcome for Castle.

It's Okoro. Nearly the exact same size as Freshman. Very similar "do it all" playstyles. Both poor shooters in college. Both high IQ connectors on offense (though that hasnt really translated for Okoro to the NBA).

Okoro became a better shooter, but he never learned to be a primary player at the NBA level. Never even really tried either. I could see that outcome for Castle. I really dont see Castle never learning how to be a respectable open 3pt shooter. Sure, that will scare some people, but Okoro is still a viable NBA rotation player.

I think its a low/medium end outcome but yes.

 

[Elizah Huge]

Jack Gohlke would never have scored 32 points off the bench on 10 of 20 three pointers against Castle. I like both Reed and Castle and would be happy with the Jazz getting either player, but they each have their own roles and advantages.

Get serious. Only two of those threes were on Reed. Did you see the degree of difficulty on most of those?

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I think the Jazz would start Castle in the G-League and let him get primary ball-handler reps in. (Unless they actually go the tank route)

I am not sure Castle is a full fledged point guard primary ballhandler type. I don't care what route they would take... I think because he can defend there would be a case to have him on varsity earlier and it would fit my "tank without trading Lauri" scheme I think they will run. I just want him to be told to get up 5-6 good threes a game. On a catch and shoot if open let it fly.

 

[Elizah Huge]

I think its a low/medium end outcome but yes.

That’s pretty wild to say that would be a low outcome.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

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KOC updated his board. Castle still #1

 

[KqWIN]

Anecdotes whether good or bad are something you should use. It felt like a shot because I definitely listed off like 10 names on the pod of guys with the shooting indicators that it did or didn't work out for. Honestly the examples are about all we have. Their prediction value obviously not perfect... some guys with his shooting profile ended up being able to shoot some didn't. If all we did was say the shooting percentages are good so they will be a good shooter... then the draft wouldn't be hard. The draft is hard.

I didn't see the post you are referring to, wasn't a shot. I was just saying that we shouldn't pull the "well Kawhi Leonard couldn't shoot" kind of thing. I don't got a problem with projecting shooting development, but I really find the "kawhi leonard" anecdotal argument to be useless so I tried to get ahead of it.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

That’s pretty wild to say that would be a low outcome.

I think its close to a medium end outcome but Castle def has way more juice on ball imo.