2024 NBA Draft Mega Thread

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Tony Parker 2014?
Isiah Thomas 1990?

Curry is 6'2" no shoes...

The other question here is... do you need him to be the primary option. Can he be high volume secondary option(Kyrie? 6'1.75" no shoes)?

We shouldn't be expecting anyone in this draft to be a primary option. There is no reason he can't be a solid starting pg though or an elite 6th man similarly to Jason Terry. I think we all would agree that getting a Jason Terry caliber of player with the 8th pick in this draft would be a homerun.

 

[KqWIN]

Some of them. I think the first couple games of the playoffs were officiated differently than the last few games. Not that I think Dilly will be a FT baiter... its more about just being able to be physical with guys that are slight. In freedom of movement type era Dilly will be hard to contain.

Whether the rules make it easier/harder to be physical, I'm still not sure it favors one player/body type than another. And that's just a general statement for things that become "more difficult" with rule changes. People say this about defense too. Defense is more difficult to play nowadays, does that make defenders less valuable? I think not. The added physicality will make it harder for the guys who are the best off the dribble, but also the guys who are not the best. Someone like Dame's efficiency may drop, but it could drop someone like Jrue completely out of the picture.

We need a lot of things before we worry about a title. Get the best players. About half the teams remaining have a shorty that is important to their team. I'd rather have a Garland than an Okoro.

I think we need to remember we have the 8th pick and stop getting too far ahead of of ourselves. On that same note, I love me some Josh Hart but I still want to start with Brunson. Even if you don't believe in small guys in the playoffs, you still want the best player this early in the process. You are not beholden to whoever you draft forever.

 

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Then you should probably draft someone with size/athleticism.

Let me ask you a question. If you were to come out of this draft with a Jason Terry caliber of player with the 8th pick would you be happy?

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Let me ask you a question. If you were to come out of this draft with a Jason Terry caliber of player with the 8th pick would you be happy?

Caliber only refers to quality level, not stylistic impact.

Would I be happy to get a player of Terry's caliber. Yes.

Do I want a Jason Terry type player? Not really.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

On average, the small guards who have stuck have an extra inch and a half of wingspan and an extra 6.7 pounds of body weight. That may not seem like a lot, but the NBA is a game of inches and ounces. On a basketball court, it’s a big difference. The fact that none of the successful small guards had a sub-6’4” wingspan stuck out like a sore thumb, especially given that it was the average mark for the whiff group. Obviously, there are exceptions to these findings. Carsen Edwards, Justin Wright-Foreman, and Cassius Winston had plenty of length and bulk, but they didn’t pan out. Conversely, Ja Morant and Darius Garland entered the association as some of the lightest players in the league.

What Morant and Garland did have, though, were outlier talents. Morant was an exceptional vertical athlete with a high level of feel. Garland has out-of-this-world touch and range as a scorer. Going back further, Trae Young overcame the skinniness hurdle by exhibiting phenomenal shooting ability and wonderful timing as a passer. Even longer ago, Chris Paul got over the hump with ease thanks to his playmaking wizardry, dogged defense, and off-the-catch shooting. There have always been small guards who were skinny that broke through, and typically, it’s been because they had something that made them truly special. If a guard is short and thin, it’s a “stay away” for me unless there’s a big, meaningful hook skill-wise.

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Whether the rules make it easier/harder to be physical, I'm still not sure it favors one player/body type than another. And that's just a general statement for things that become "more difficult" with rule changes. People say this about defense too. Defense is more difficult to play nowadays, does that make defenders less valuable? I think not. The added physicality will make it harder for the guys who are the best off the dribble, but also the guys who are not the best. Someone like Dame's efficiency may drop, but it could drop someone like Jrue completely out of the picture.

I worry as much about strength as size with Dilly. like how they allowed Dort to commit assault on BI and it took him out of the series. Its not something I would factor in heavily but if they cycle back to hands off I think he's a lot tougher to handle.

I think we need to remember we have the 8th pick and stop getting too far ahead of of ourselves. On that same note, I love me some Josh Hart but I still want to start with Brunson. Even if you don't believe in small guys in the playoffs, you still want the best player this early in the process. You are not beholden to whoever you draft forever.

yup

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I think we need to remember we have the 8th pick and stop getting too far ahead of of ourselves. On that same note, I love me some Josh Hart but I still want to start with Brunson. Even if you don't believe in small guys in the playoffs, you still want the best player this early in the process. You are not beholden to whoever you draft forever.

Yall please let me know when it becomes as easy to identify BPA in the draft as it is comparing established NBA players. Would really help me ace my big boards every year.

 

[Qman]

For me the eye test on nba skills, size and athletic ability usually works. But there are always surprises.

 

[KqWIN]

Yall please let me know when it becomes as easy to identify BPA in the draft as it is comparing established NBA players. Would really help me ace my big boards every year.

Since you can't actually determine who is BPA, I guess we should just do no evaluation at all right? And of course, the guy who is the correct fit is a sure thing right?

You pick the guy who you think is the best.

 

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I'm talking in shoes.

And all these guys are north of 180. (maybe not Zeke?)

Dillingham is not only short, he's also extremely light in the ***. I know he gained nearly 20 lbs from his OTE to UK year, but how much more can he get?

And I would still consider Kyrie a primary option. I dont think the primary/secondary/tertiary separators are 100% based on team context. Some teams run one primary, some run two.

But yeah, if every example of a 6'1(ish) lightweight player is a super-star, doesnt that also raise red flags? IF Dillingham isnt a star can he have a NBA role?

The other Isaiah Thomas was short too...

There have been short guards on championsip teams, but is the question about being superstars or being primary option on championship team? I kind of feel like almost by definition being a primary option on championship team means you are a superstar or at the very least close to it. I've gone through the championship teams in the last 30+ years and the championship teams without an MVP level talent are extremely rare(pretty much just Detroit 2004? if remember correctly).

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

The other Isaiah Thomas was short too...

There have been short guards on championsip teams, but is the question about being superstars or being primary option on championship team? I kind of feel like almost by definition being a primary option on championship team means you are a superstar or at the very least close to it. I've gone through the championship teams in the last 30+ years and the championship teams without an MVP level talent are extremely rare(pretty much just Detroit 2004? if remember correctly).

IT (the recent one) weighed 190 at 5'9, so he was relatively huge height to weight ratio wise. A reel beefcake.

 

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The other Isaiah Thomas was short too...

There have been short guards on championsip teams, but is the question about being superstars or being primary option on championship team? I kind of feel like almost by definition being a primary option on championship team means you are a superstar or at the very least close to it. I've gone through the championship teams in the last 30+ years and the championship teams without an MVP level talent are extremely rare(pretty much just Detroit 2004? if remember correct

Definitely the spurs in 2014. No superstar but a bunch a really solid players that were extremely unselfish when moving the ball around the perimeter.