25% left of obamas 8 year EVIL reign!!!!!

[franklin]

Blaming/supporting a president for the entirety of the economy is kind of like blaming a president for the gas prices. There are little things they can do to help it, but overall, not very much.

And like you blaming Obama for deficit spending as if it were equivalent in any way to Bush's deficit spending.

 

[Ron Mexico]

Anyone who thinks the US President is dumb or hates them seems very ignorant to me. No matter who the president is you hear people saying what an idiot they are and what terrible people they are, that makes you sound very unintelligent.

Anyone who thinks they could do a much better job than the current president is out in the night.

People do not become president of the US that are stupid.

Disagreeing with policies is fine its part of our culture. Hating someone that you do not know or have any understanding of why they made certain decisions is ignorant.

Presidents have people around them that are some of the best in their respective fields in the world studying and advising each president on the best course of action. They are very educated in the decisions they make. That does not mean you cannot have a difference in opinion but if you can not respect the decision made then you clearly do not have the ability to see things from both perspectives and see that they are not just guessing they are making informed educated decisions.

People like this Dutch guy who made this thread are what's wrong with politics everywhere.

 

[DutchJazzer]

They are so similar policy wise. I dislike Obamas presidency for many of the same reasons I disliked Bushs.

@liberals Bush didn't use drones to kill US citizens Obama did. Patriot act alive and kickin. Huge expansion of spying on US citizens. He has a death list!

@conservatives. Bush bailed out the banks sure Obama runs huge deficits but Bush turned a surplus into huge deficits. The largest expansion of medicare ever at the time was bushes medicare part d prescription coverage.

The largest difference between them is rhetorical and yeah I prefer Obama in this regard but it is a superficial difference.

as far as we know bush did not execute american citizens.
OBAMA DID.

so obama is worse and went further.


heck even obama greatest accompliosment is in question.

catching sanataclause. i mean obama. how the hell do we know if that is real or just a hoax

 

[DutchJazzer]

Anyone who thinks the US President is dumb or hates them seems very ignorant to me. No matter who the president is you hear people saying what an idiot they are and what terrible people they are, that makes you sound very unintelligent.

Anyone who thinks they could do a much better job than the current president is out in the night.

People do not become president of the US that are stupid.

Disagreeing with policies is fine its part of our culture. Hating someone that you do not know or have any understanding of why they made certain decisions is ignorant.

Presidents have people around them that are some of the best in their respective fields in the world studying and advising each president on the best course of action. They are very educated in the decisions they make. That does not mean you cannot have a difference in opinion but if you can not respect the decision made then you clearly do not have the ability to see things from both perspectives and see that they are not just guessing they are making informed educated decisions.

People like this Dutch guy who made this thread are what's wrong with politics everywhere.

sometimes it is not about making the correct educated decision.

all governments all over the world did "stupid" things to increase their power.

u are dumb for absolutely trusting you are government.

so yeah everyu single civil libirty and constitutional raping the government does is a bad deccision.

 

[LogGrad98]

Ya i agree.
No wars, no risky policies, the economy was doing good. He was charming.

Other than lewinskigate he didnt have any blemishes during his rule.

Selective memory?

Somalia
Invasion of Haiti
Bosnia
Kosovo

 

[LogGrad98]

Odd, that doesn't happen to me. I wonder why that is?

Obama was good for the social safety net, OK for the economy and foreign affairs, and really, really bad for personal liberties. Overall, a B, I guess.

So social safety net >>>>>>>>>>> personal liberties. Looks like economy and foreign affairs are a push.

Interesting implied weighting factors when (good)(X) + (really really bad)(Y) = B.

 

[Ron Mexico]

sometimes it is not about making the correct educated decision.

all governments all over the world did "stupid" things to increase their power.

u are dumb for absolutely trusting you are government.

so yeah everyu single civil libirty and constitutional raping the government does is a bad deccision.

Never said I trust them or agree with them because I do not.

 

[One Brow]

So social safety net >>>>>>>>>>> personal liberties. Looks like economy and foreign affairs are a push.

Interesting implied weighting factors when (good)(X) + (really really bad)(Y) = B.

Well, I'd probably havle those ">"s, but yes. Poverty takes away freedom. So, I took an A, C, C, and an F and turned it into a B. Let's call it dropping the lowest grade.

 

[LogGrad98]

Well, I'd probably havle those ">"s, but yes. Poverty takes away freedom. So, I took an A, C, C, and an F and turned it into a B. Let's call it dropping the lowest grade.

So how much, quantitatively, has poverty decreased in the Obama years, that justifies an F in maintaining personal liberties? I would have to assume that is is probably cut in half for this huge difference to be accounted for, right? And if the economy gets a C how can poverty be decreased that much when they kind of go hand in hand? Seems your math is off a little here, unless for you a tiny decrease in poverty justifies HUGE decreases in personal liberty.

Also just how little do you hold personal liberties in regard when you can simply "drop the grade" at all. Might as well add infinite ">" signs in there.

 

[Stoked]

I'm no fan but evil? Sweet Jesus knock it off.

 

[DutchJazzer]

I'm no fan but evil? Sweet Jesus knock it off.

executing 4 American citizens without trial, is EVIL!
tell me how is it different then hitler, murdering 1000's of jewish german citizens without trial.

where do we draw the line.
1? 2? 3? 4?(clearly not 4 cus you dont consider 4 evil)
is it 5?
50?
500?
5000?
50.000?
500.000?
5.000.000?

does an arbitary number make one guy evil and the other not?





damm i just mad a nazi comparison.(there is this theory that every argument would lead to the nazi's, it's just a matter of time).


imho it is just an evil administration because of the above and way more.

 

[Nate505]

I voted for Obama, but have been extremely disappointed in how he's just another jackass politician in a sea of them in Washington. On a handful of things he's better and worse than his predecessors, but on most of the major issues he's identical to the other jerkoffs who have had that office since damn near all of the 20th Century to the present.

His run has 90% convinced me to vote a 3rd party in 2016, yet that 10% doubt is not being able to stomach the clown car that is the GOP and their dark ages approach to social issues, unless perhaps a Rand Paul sneaks thru.

 

[Nate505]

There's hardly any difference in Bush and Obama, just the letter behind the name.

Both allowed for too much spending, both allowed for too much government, and both allowed for the loss of personal liberty.

Is he has bad as a lot of the right wants us to think he is? No. Is he as good as most of the left wants us to think he is? No. Personally, I view him as below average, but that's just me. All presidents are pretty much the same anymore anyways, doesn't matter which party they're running for.

Good god, Hantlers couldn't have said it any better (other than I think he is average, but that's a nit picky difference). What is happening to my world.

 

[♪alt13]

Good god, Hantlers couldn't have said it any better (other than I think he is average, but that's a nit picky difference). What is happening to my world.

I voted for this guy. Former governor of New Mexico. This vid was taken in slc. I was there woot.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXux37wzQeQ

 

[♪alt13]

Odd, that doesn't happen to me. I wonder why that is?

Obama was good for the social safety net, OK for the economy and foreign affairs, and really, really bad for personal liberties. Overall, a B, I guess.

The biggest winners from obamacare will be the insurance companies. What did he do for the economy? Have you bought into the notion that the average Pakistani is in love with America because Obama is president? Bad on personal liberties and like all the presidents of the last 50 or so years he has usurped more power into the executive branch. Aren't you glad that the next republican president will have the precedent that he can kill a US citizen by fiat? Wake the **** up Obama is just as bad as Bush.

 

[Stoked]

Odd, that doesn't happen to me. I wonder why that is?

Obama was good for the social safety net, OK for the economy and foreign affairs, and really, really bad for personal liberties. Overall, a B, I guess.

I think that President Obama has been a disaster on foreign policy. He tried a different approach than Bush but it failed miserably. The countries that did not trust or like us still do not like or trust us. All that has happened is that many of our allies have been repeatedly left out to dry (like Poland) and are starting to dooubt our resolve and if we will even honor treaties we have with them (like Japan and the Philippines).

Foreign policy has been a solid F.
Personal liberties a solid F
Social Saftey net is a B
Economy I am in over my head...C+?

 

[cowhide]

imho the hate is not excessive enough.
everytime you "criticize/hate" on him they pull the race card, and make u back the **** down.
because we all know nothning worse then a racis right ":rolleyes"

LOL - The reality is that the haters have a double standard when completely ignoring all the crap Bush did but when Obama has done anything they are negative of it. I guess if people had questioned Bush's citizenship and religion when he ran for president then you would have a point. To completely ignore the racial history of this country and to deny that many on the right hate him simply because he is black is naive and ridiculous. Sorry but it isn't Obama or his supporters who started the race card. Beck called Obama a racist and Limbaugh called him Puff the Magic Negro and Ted Nugent saying he wants to put a gun in Obama mouth and calling him a subhuman mongrel. Yea I guess those don't have racial over tones at all.

Funny if the GOP stopped making stupid comments many of them about race (referring to the OBamas as apes) then maybe your argument would be stronger. Instead GOPers play the victim card, we are racists because we don't like Obama. No many GOPers are racists because they actually are racists. They act like it and seemed to have no problem expressing their racists views publicly. All presidents get criticized, but in my lifetime the hate for president obama far exceeds anything I've witnessed.

When the Dixie Chicks said they were embarrassed the Bush was from Texas, they were crucified and had their cd's burned and many stations refused to play their songs. They had death threats against them but can you honestly say what they said is even close to what president has had to endure. Did Bill O'Reilly get in the face of President Bush and tell him how much they (liberals) hated him? Did any Democratic leader point a finger in the face of a standing president when he came to visit their state? Did militia membership increase over 200 percent after Bush was elected? Was there a hoarding of ammunition after Bush was "elected"? Did the death threats against president Bush increase after his election? Did anyone blame Bush for NY 9/11 (82 percent approval rating) right after it happened? How many filibusters were there during the Bush administration? Did Liberals say they wanted to see president Bush fail as soon as he was elected?

Just look at the reaction of the right on things that have happened: 9/11 Libya - According to John McCain, the worse foreign policy failure in the history of the US, Really? Really? NY 9/11, Iraq, Vietnam etc.

The fact that Bush had several embassies attacked during his administration, with little or no mention of these attacks certainly not on the scale of Libya.
The NSA spying Sandal - LOL -The NSA have been spying for a while before Bush and Obama but now it is just evidence that Obama is a dictator.
Bush enacted the Patriot now it is Obama's fault that the gov't is spying on us.
Bush invaded a country that had nothing to do with 9/11 nor did it have WMDs. Yet when Obama avoids another war he is consider weak. Like it is Obama fault that the Mideast is a huge pile of crap. Can you only imagine what the reaction from the right would have been if Democrats supported Putin calling Bush weak for not doing anything about Georgia?

Fast and Furious - started under Bush, beside the fact that many republicans still hail Reagan as this great president. Guess what he illegally sold arms to Iran. Funny how private gun owners sell to anyone who walks through the door and then claim they aren't responsible for the mass shootings that occur in the USA. Dateline did an episode about private guns sales that end up in mexico. Guess what the gun dealers were unapologetic about selling guns that ended up in the hands of cartel members. But god forbid if a program started under Bush comes to light during the Obama administration, then he is ridiculed as incompetent or failure.

Most of the country cheered when Bush caught Sadaam H., so you would think that the GOP would cheer the capture of the most wanted man alive Osama Bin Laden, NOPE!!! Instead they claimed the president was taking too much credit and politicizing the event. They couldn't even be happy when we caught the guy who was responsible for NY 9/11. Why? I am sure that you don't think it is because he is black. NO way that could be a possibility after all the racists things said about him. Please!!!!!!

There is nothing wrong with criticizing the president. Yes even president obama. It is how you do it. You can't go around calling him every name in the book while completely disregarding the failures of white presidents and not realize that it is going to be interpreted as racist. If the GOP had cooperated at all with the president they wouldn't be having this imagine problem but go ahead and blame the president and liberals for your party's short comings. SO I will help you out, the democratic party use to be the racist party and I have no doubt there are a few closet bigots in the democratic party. See it isn't hard to take some personal responsibility for your party's actions.

Just before you call me an Obama sheep, I am not. I can say that there are some things I haven't agree with the president. I don't know if he lied or was just not aware of "you can keep your insurance" but either way it was a complete screw-up and only fueled the distrust the right has of him. Even though there is no smoking gun like IRaq, Shame on him if he lied. I was upset with him for rolling over and giving the crying Boehner an extension of the Bush Tax cuts. I wish he has had gotten the troops out of Afghanistan sooner, I believe he could have change the time frame and brought them home sooner. Libya, they should have waited to report their findings instead of rushing out information that later was found to be false. I however don't think it was mismanaged or covered up like the GOP does. I was disappointed in the ACA rollout. Not having the website up and running was a failure and an embarrassment for the president.

Overall I think the president has done a credit job considering the complete lack of support and daily personal attacks from the right. I certainly don't think he is evil but what his election has shown is that american's racist past is still a big part of american society.

 

[fishonjazz]

Whoa

 

[One Brow]

So how much, quantitatively, has poverty decreased in the Obama years, that justifies an F in maintaining personal liberties? I would have to assume that is is probably cut in half for this huge difference to be accounted for, right? And if the economy gets a C how can poverty be decreased that much when they kind of go hand in hand? Seems your math is off a little here, unless for you a tiny decrease in poverty justifies HUGE decreases in personal liberty.

Also just how little do you hold personal liberties in regard when you can simply "drop the grade" at all. Might as well add infinite ">" signs in there.

The social safety does not guarantee people will be removed from poverty, and also helps the poor as well as the impoverished. My point was that giving the impoverished more options and more safety is beneficial in the long term.

If I didn't drop at least one grade, I don't think any President would score above a "C" in my book.

 

[Stoked]

LOL - The reality is that the haters have a double standard when completely ignoring all the crap Bush did but when Obama has done anything they are negative of it. I guess if people had questioned Bush's citizenship and religion when he ran for president there you would have a point. To completely ignore the racial history of this country and to deny that many on the right hate him simply because he is black is naive and ridiculous. Sorry but it isn't Obama or his supporters who started the race card. Beck called Obama a racists and Limbaugh called him Puff the Magic Negro and Ted Nugent saying he wants to put a gun in Obama mouth and calling him a subhuman mongrel. Yea I guess those don't have racial over tones at all.

Funny if the GOP stopped making stupid comments many of them about race (referring to the OBamas as apes) then maybe your argument would be stronger. Instead GOPers play the victim card, we are racists because we don't like Obama. No many GOPers are racists because they actually are racists. They act like it and seemed to have no problem expressing their racists views publicly. All presidents get criticized, but in my lifetime the hate for president obama far exceeds anything I've witnessed.

When the Dixie Chicks said they were embarrassed the Bush was from Texas, they were crucified and had their cd's burned and many stations refused to play their songs. They have death threats but can you honestly say what they said is even close to what president has had to endure. Did Bill O'Reilly get in the face of President Bush and tell him how much they (liberals) hated him. Did any Democratic leader point a finger in the face of a standing president when he came to visit their state. Did militia membership increase over 200 percent after Bush was elected? Was there a hoarding of ammunition after Bush was "elected"? Did the death threats against president Bush increase after his election? Did anyone blame Bush for NY 9/11 (82 percent approval rating) right after it happened? How many filibusters were there during the Bush administration? Did Liberals say they wanted to see president Bush fail as soon as he was elected?

Just look at the reaction of the right on things that have happened: 9/11 Libya - According to John McCain, the worse foreign policy failure in the history of the US, Really? Really? NY 9/11, Iraq, Vietnam etc.

The fact that Bush had over 8 embassies attacks during his administration never even mentioned.
The NSA spying Sandal - LOL -The NSA have been spying for a while before Bush and Obama but now it is just evidence that Obama is a dictator.
Bush enacted the Patriot now it is Obama's fault that the gov't is spying on us.
Bush invaded a country that had nothing to do with 9/11 nor did it have WMDs. Yet when Obama avoids another war he is consider weak. Like it is Obama fault that the Mideast is a huge pile of crap. Can you only imagine what the reaction from the right would have been if Democrats supported Putin calling Bush weak for not doing anything about Georgia?

Fast and Furious - started under Bush, beside the fact that many republicans still hail Reagan as this great president. Guess what he illegally sold arms to Iran. Funny how private gun owners sell to anyone who walks through the door and then claim they aren't responsible for the mass shootings that occur in the USA. Dateline did an episode about it. Guess what the gun dealers were unapologetic about selling guns that ended up in the hands of cartel members. But god forbid if a program started under Bush comes to light during the Obama administration, then he is ridiculed as incompetent or failure.

Most of the country cheered when Bush caught Sadaam H., so you would think that the GOP would cheer the capture of the most wanted man alive Osama Bin Laden, NOPE!!! Instead they claimed the president was taking too much credit and politicizing the event. They couldn't even be happy when we caught the guy who was responsible for NY 9/11. Why? I am sure that you don't think it is because he is black. NO way that could be a possibility after all the racists things said about him. Please!!!!!!

There is nothing wrong with criticizing the president. Yes even president obama. It is how you do it. You can't go around calling him every name in the book while completely disregarding the failures of white presidents and not realize that it is going to be interpreted as racist. If the GOP had cooperated at all with the president they wouldn't be having this imagine problem but go ahead and blame the president and liberals for you short comings. SO I will help you out, the democratic party use to be the racist party and I have no doubt there are a few closet bigots in the democratic party. See it isn't hard to take some personal responsibility for your party's actions.

Just before you call me an Obama sheep, I am not. I can say that there are some things I haven't agree with the president. I don't know if he lied or was just not aware of "you can keep your insurance" but either way it was a complete screw-up and only fueled the distrust the right has of him. Shame on him if he lied. I was upset with him for rolling over and giving the crying Boehner an extension of the Bush Tax cuts. I wish he has had gotten the troops out of Afghanistan sooner, until I was informed that Bush prior to leaving office struck a deal with Iraq and Afghanistan about when the troops would go home. Still I believe he could have change the time frame and brought them home sooner. Libya, they should have waited to report their findings instead of rushing out information that later was found to be false. I however I don't think it was mismanaged or covered up like the GOP does. I was disappointed in the ACA rollout. Not having the website up and running was a failure.

Overall I think the president has done a credit job considering the complete lack of support and daily personal attacks from the right. I certainly don't think he is evil but what his election has shown is that american's racist past is still a big part of american society.

The religious argument is beyond dumb. So what if he was Muslim (he isn't). But even if he was...SO WHAT!!!

Also it does not matter where he was born. His mom was an American citizen. As a result he is an American citizen at birth, regardless of location.

Also hahahah on the personal attack daily part. He is the President. If you think any other president did not deal with that from the other side then you are in denial. The type of attack may have shifted but it is attacks just the same.