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[silesian]

I hope you're right ... do you even know what socialism is? It's total control of the means of production by the government. What people on the so-called left want is nothing remotely like that. Government regulation is what we need not control. There is a big difference. When you have people in government in bed with the people they're so supposed to regulate, there is no regulation. And that is the problem. Socialism, Jesus, Joseph, and Mary ... the ignorance about that term is total disinformation and a classic example of what Orwell has shown to be the tactic of autocratic governments.

Thanks for the high school civics simplistic definition. The real world has nuance that may be beyond this narrow and sophomoric view.

There are many forms of socialism and there is no single definition. Each form of socialism involve some degree of social ownership. “Total control” describes socialism only in extremis.


Please read Angela Davis, Vivian Girnick and Karl Marx, and spend some time in Socialist countries, and then return to lecture me on the meaning of socialism. If you don’t want to take the time to understand in that depth, google and Wikipedia are helpful.

Have a nice day.

 

[Red]

Well I may be getting old but I still have the heart of a child.








In a jar under my bed

Lucky is the man who can still see the world through the eyes of a child. For such a man, the world is ever a place of wonder, the mystery of existence ever present.

Luckier still the man whose third eye is open.

That one I keep in the same draw as my socks....

 

[Getting Traded]

Thanks for the high school civics simplistic definition. The real world has nuance that may be beyond this narrow and sophomoric view.

There are many forms of socialism and there is no single definition. Each form of socialism involve some degree of social ownership. “Total control” describes socialism only in extremis.


Please read Angela Davis, Vivian Girnick and Karl Marx, and spend some time in Socialist countries, and then return to lecture me on the meaning of socialism. If you don’t want to take the time to understand in that depth, google and Wikipedia are helpful.

Have a nice day.

Yes, there are many forms that are "so-called" socialism, and most have become authoritarian governments. I'm talking about classic socialism, which we imperfect human beings cannot endure. I haven't studied the various form it has taken. But to say that Sanders is a socialist is simply a way to attack and discredit him. That was my point.

 

[Getting Traded]

I read through some of the recent posts and a lot of them are contradictory. For instance, Babe talks about socialism being autocratic but doesn't seem to realize that capitalism, the system which has evolved today, has become brutally autocratic, one that favors the rich and uses the guise of democracy to hide its control of the economy by an elite aristocracy -- maybe I was misreading but that was what it sounded like to me. The capitalists have used the system to act in a totally immoral way, i.e., the military-industrial complex which has killed millions in the service of their profits. With their money, they now control the Congress, the Senate, the Supreme Court, and the executive branch. For some time, the latter has been under their thumb, but now all branches of government jump to their orders. This is why Sanders is seen as a threat because he wants to dismantle their power. Obama had been seen as a possible savior when he was campaigning -- he gave lip service to this -- but as soon as he was elected, he stood at attention and followed their orders. And Sanders does want to increase taxes -- how do you expect to pay for his programs -- and I suspect considerably cut the defense budget, at least we can only hope, for it is not only the biggest entitlement but the gravest misappropriation of funds in our history. It has ruined the lives and governments of so many of the world's people. Let's try to be objective about this and not listen to crappy spin that our government has enthralled us with on Memorial Day and the July 4. The truth is very bloody and ugly and anything but glorious. It brings me back to the Pat Tillman story, one if you don't know about it, you should, because it shows the true nature of our military and our government. It is available on YouTube. Not only Tillman but other luminaries like President Kennedy were killed because of it, because he did want to withdraw from Vietnam and don't start telling me he didn't -- I have to say this because of all the disinformation that has been disseminated about this -- because I can cite you books and major pieces of evidence that conclusively show this to be true.

 

[idestroyedthetoilet]

I read through some of the recent posts and a lot of them are contradictory. For instance, Babe talks about socialism being autocratic but doesn't seem to realize that capitalism, the system which has evolved today, has become brutally autocratic, one that favors the rich and uses the guise of democracy to hide its with control of the economy by an elite aristocracy -- maybe I was misreading but that was what it sounded like to me. The capitalists have used the system to act in a totally immoral way, i.e., the military-industrial complex which has killed millions in the service of their profits. With their money, they now control the Congress, the Senate, the Supreme Court, and the executive branch. For some time, the latter has been under their thumb, but now all branches of government jump to their orders. This is why Sanders is seen as a threat because he wants to dismantle their power. Obama had been seen as a possible savior when he was campaigning -- he gave lip service to this -- but as soon as he was elected, he stood at attention and followed their orders. And Sanders does want to increase taxes -- how do you expect to pay for his programs -- and I suspect considerably cut the defense budget, at least we can only hope, for it is not only the biggest entitlement but the gravest misappropriation of funds in our history. It has ruined the lives and governments of so many of the world's people. Let's try to be objective about this and not listen to crappy spin that our government has enthralled us with on Memorial Day and the July 4. The truth is very bloody and ugly and anything but glorious. It brings me back to the Pat Tillman story, one if you don't know about it, you should, because it shows the true nature of our military and our government. It is available on YouTube. Not only Tillman but other luminaries like President Kennedy were killed because of it, because he did want to withdraw from Vietnam and don't start telling me he didn't -- I have to say this because of all the disinformation that has been disseminated about this -- because I can cite you books and major pieces of evidence that conclusively show this to be true.

Who are the elite aristocracy?

 

[Getting Traded]

Who are the elite aristocracy?

The flavor of the moment is the Koch Brothers, but there are other powers behind the scene, a shadow government that directs national policy. Why do you think we are still in the Middle East despite Obama's campaign promises in 2008 to get us out? Who is behind this is something critics and pundits have been trying to learn for years and only have guessed at it. Maybe there is no discreet, definable ruling body but based on the connections and networks that have mutually beneficial goals that serve their profits. For instance, we are trying to overthrow Venezuela because of the oil, and who has the most interest in this -- the Koch brothers because they own most of the refining facilities used for the thick type of oil that is deposited there -- and which is the largest oil reserve in the world, 5x that of Saudi Arabia.

 

[Heathme]

Too good not to post.

Nolte: Move to Hudson Yards Proves CNN Knows Global Warming’s a Hoax

Even CNN does not believe their own climate change catastrophe predictions...

https://www.breitbart.com/the-media...ards-proves-cnn-knows-global-warmings-a-hoax/

 

[Heathme]

Here is a list of the top conservative sites for those of you that want more truth in your reporting (except InfoWars, that dude is messed up):

 

[Heathme]

The party of "science":

 

[LogGrad98]

The party of "science":

This is really one of the 2 points of that argument.

1) is it a living human being with rights?

and

2) if #1 is yes, then whose rights matter more, the mother or the baby?

Almost every argument around this end up on these 2 questions.

If 1 is "no" then it's a no-brainer, the baby is not much more than a parasite and can be eradicated with no qualms.

Once the answer to 1 is viewed as "yes" then it starts to get complicated.

Obviously that person is arguing that the answer to 1 is "no".

 

[fishonjazz]

This is really one of the 2 points of that argument.

1) is it a living human being with rights?

and

2) if #1 is yes, then whose rights matter more, the mother or the baby?

Almost every argument around this end up on these 2 questions.

If 1 is "no" then it's a no-brainer, the baby is not much more than a parasite and can be eradicated with no qualms.

Once the answer to 1 is viewed as "yes" then it starts to get complicated.

Obviously that person is arguing that the answer to 1 is "no".

The answer to question #1 is obviously no. A baby doesn't have rights. Even a baby that has been born. Hell my daughter is almost 3 and she has no rights at all. She does what her parents tell her/allow her to do. She eats what we want her to. Sleeps when we say so. Can't vote, can't drink alcohol, can't see any movies or watch shows that we don't allow her to.
She has no rights at all.

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[LogGrad98]

The answer to question #1 is obviously no. A baby doesn't have rights. Even a baby that has been born. Hell my daughter is almost 3 and she has no rights at all. She does what her parents tell her/allow her to do. She eats what we want her to. Sleeps when we say so. Can't vote, can't drink alcohol, can't see any movies or watch shows that we don't allow her to.
She has no rights at all.

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The right in question is to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Does she have those rights? Does an unborn child have those rights?

 

[fishonjazz]

The right in question is to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Does she have those rights? Does an unborn child have those rights?

Not really. I mean she lives cause we love her. If my wife and I decided to get in my car and drive away from our house for a few weeks right now she would die regardless of "rights"

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[Heathme]

It makes no sense. The Left will connect themselves wholeheartedly to the "science" of climate change but saying that the human baby growing inside the mother is not a human is ridiculous. Why does it change from a whatever to a human as it passes the birth canal? The baby is just as human as the mother and of course deserves the right to live.

If the mother does not want to keep the baby then put it up for adoption.

 

[Heathme]

The right in question is to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Does she have those rights? Does an unborn child have those rights?

Yes and yes!

 

[Ron Mexico]

Yes and yes!

Do you think there are any situations that an abortion is okay?

 

[LogGrad98]

Not really. I mean she lives cause we love her. If my wife and I decided to get in my car and drive away from our house for a few weeks right now she would die regardless of "rights"

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But in that case you would be put in jail for neglect and murder. You would have breached her right to life. Is the same punishment meted out when babies in the womb are killed?

 

[Rubashov]

But in that case you would be put in jail for neglect and murder. You would have breached her right to life. Is the same punishment meted out when babies in the womb are killed?

They'd probably only get charged with infanticide here think its got a 5 year max sentence.

 

[fishonjazz]

But in that case you would be put in jail for neglect and murder. You would have breached her right to life. Is the same punishment meted out when babies in the womb are killed?

I was speaking to a baby having rights not to a law being broken. Murdering someone is illegal I think while abortion isn't illegal.

Neither of those pertain to "rights" imo.

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[LogGrad98]

I was speaking to a baby having rights not to a law being broken. Murdering someone is illegal I think while abortion isn't illegal.

Neither of those pertain to "rights" imo.

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Depends on your definition of Rights. As I said at the beginning it all comes down to those things. Is an unborn child a human being with rights (remember the Constitution talks of all men having "inalienable rights", such as a right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, and our rule of law is built on that). You answered that question as no, it doesn't have any rights.

By the way, the vast majority of our laws center on people's rights and the fact that you cannot just willy-nilly impose your whims on the rights of others. You really cannot separate the 2.