A Place for Conservatives

[Heathme]

I don't believe it, sorry. It happens all the time to liberals. There are no end of right leaning media sources; any conservative will have absolutely no difficulty finding media that will reflect his/her world outlook. Thus the ongoing persecution complex within the right is silly. The fact that so many right-leaning people flock to right-leaning outlets, moreover, is proof that they are not searching for unbiased news sources, and thus don't object to them per se, but rather prefer biased news sources reflecting their world views.

I further vigorously dispute your argument that the other mainstream news orgs (e.g., CNN, NBC, NYT, Wash Post, etc.) are equal to Fox. That is on its face a ridiculous and false assertion. Fox, at least its commentary and not hard news functions, is, for all intents and purposes, the propaganda arm of the Trump Admin. There's being biased (and I concede the existence of bias, everyone is human after all), and there's being a purveyor of propaganda. CNN is the former, Fox is the latter.

Jimmy, I can turn this around in every way towards liberals. Fox News has a news division that does as much research, analysis and fact checking as any of your liberal sites, CNN, NBC, NYT, Wash Post, etc. You, like many others, do not seem to catch the difference between opinion shows, i.e. Hannity, Tucker Carlson, etc. and regular news.

This issue of bias is not about finding right leaning media sources. I posted many conservative sites in the initial post. It is that the main stream media CNN, NBC, NYT, Wash Post, etc. is biased against conservatives. No matter how many times you guys call it a "persecution complex" does not make it any less true. These are the sources that show up first in google searches, are watched by the most people during the evening, get quoted on TV shows and websites, etc.

Just because you say something "vigorously" does not make it true. Show me thousands of examples of liberal bias on any of the main news sources and I will concede. This website has been dedicated to showing liberal bias of the main stream media (CNN, NBC, NYT, Wash Post, etc.) for many years now: https://www.newsbusters.org.

By the way, I do not watch or read Fox News.

 

[Alfalfa]

So I laughed because I never said that, at all. That's a fabrication of that thing you call a mind. I simply pointed out there are several theories regarding the formation of the universe and that scientists are not unified. Of course some fall out of favor as new info is discovered, but there are more than one active theories right this very second, and new information is added all the time. And in the end no one really knows.

But you sure do make a great science cop there little guy. Keep fighting the imaginary fight!

There are a million theories regarding everything. I understood what you said fine, and responded to it.

The fact that other theories exist is irrelevant. The currently accepted model is heat death due to expansion. That's the answer to the man's question.

 

[Zombie]

Jimmy, I can turn this around in every way towards liberals. Fox News has a news division that does as much research, analysis and fact checking as any of your liberal sites, CNN, NBC, NYT, Wash Post, etc. You, like many others, do not seem to catch the difference between opinion shows, i.e. Hannity, Tucker Carlson, etc. and regular news.

This issue of bias is not about finding right leaning media sources. I posted many conservative sites in the initial post. It is that the main stream media CNN, NBC, NYT, Wash Post, etc. is biased against conservatives. No matter how many times you guys call it a "persecution complex" does not make it any less true. These are the sources that show up first in google searches, are watched by the most people during the evening, get quoted on TV shows and websites, etc.

Just because you say something "vigorously" does not make it true. Show me thousands of examples of liberal bias on any of the main news sources and I will concede. This website has been dedicated to showing liberal bias of the main stream media (CNN, NBC, NYT, Wash Post, etc.) for many years now: https://www.newsbusters.org.

By the way, I do not watch or read Fox News.

What a tremendous self own

 

[NAOS]

This issue of bias is not about finding right leaning media sources. I posted many conservative sites in the initial post. It is that the main stream media CNN, NBC, NYT, Wash Post, etc. is biased against conservatives.

How long do you think your God will keep forcing you to repeat this phrase? It's utter trash as far as truth goes, btw.

 

[Heathme]

How long do you think your God will keep forcing you to repeat this phrase? It's utter trash as far as truth goes, btw.

Just because you say something "vigorously" does not make it true. Show me thousands of examples of liberal bias on any of the main news sources and I will concede. This website has been dedicated to showing liberal bias of the main stream media (CNN, NBC, NYT, Wash Post, etc.) for many years now: https://www.newsbusters.org.

By the way, I do not watch or read Fox News.

 

[NAOS]

Just because you say something "vigorously" does not make it true. Show me thousands of examples of liberal bias on any of the main news sources and I will concede. This website has been dedicated to showing liberal bias of the main stream media (CNN, NBC, NYT, Wash Post, etc.) for many years now: https://www.newsbusters.org.

By the way, I do not watch or read Fox News.

Now you're copying-and-pasting your "own" posts? Dude.... unplug. Find your own voice.

 

[Heathme]

Now you're copying-and-pasting your "own" posts? Dude.... unplug. Find your own voice.

NAOS, add something constructive to the thread. I dare you.

Actually more than that. I believe in you NAOS! You can do it!!!

 

[jimmy eat jazz]

Jimmy, I can turn this around in every way towards liberals. Fox News has a news division that does as much research, analysis and fact checking as any of your liberal sites, CNN, NBC, NYT, Wash Post, etc. You, like many others, do not seem to catch the difference between opinion shows, i.e. Hannity, Tucker Carlson, etc. and regular news.

This issue of bias is not about finding right leaning media sources. I posted many conservative sites in the initial post. It is that the main stream media CNN, NBC, NYT, Wash Post, etc. is biased against conservatives. No matter how many times you guys call it a "persecution complex" does not make it any less true. These are the sources that show up first in google searches, are watched by the most people during the evening, get quoted on TV shows and websites, etc.

Just because you say something "vigorously" does not make it true. Show me thousands of examples of liberal bias on any of the main news sources and I will concede. This website has been dedicated to showing liberal bias of the main stream media (CNN, NBC, NYT, Wash Post, etc.) for many years now: https://www.newsbusters.org.

By the way, I do not watch or read Fox News.

I concede the existence of a left-leaning bias in many mainstream news sources. I stated as much.

My points are as follows:

1. Despite conservatives' whining about liberal bias, they, on the whole, don't object to bias, only to left leaning bias. Thus, their long-voiced objection to bias in the media should not be understood not to represent any principled objection to media bias, only a self-interested objection to left-leaning bias. They are perfectly happy with right-leaning media bias.
2. There are now plenty of right-leaning news sites, so it's time for conservatives to stop all their whining about media bias. They can now get all the right-leaning news and information their conservative hearts desire. It strikes me as inconsistent, to say the least, to whine and complain about left-wing bias while engaging freely and vigorously in disseminating right-slanted news and information. So, please, STFU already about media bias. You like it, you really really do, only provided it comes from the right.
3. While other mainstream media outlets demonstrate bias, they ARE NOT Fox News, which has essentially become a propaganda arm for the Trump Administration. Equating Fox News with CNN etc. is a blatant false equivalence.

BTW, if you read my earlier post, you'd see I did make a distinction between Fox's news and its opinion divisions (e.g., Hannity and Carlson). This, however, is a distinction without much of a difference. It's Fox's opinion division that drive ratings and public opinion, not its news division. My tea bagger brothers, for example, don't go all frothy in the mouth based on a Shep Smith or Chris Wallace piece, but based on some new nutcase conspiracy or ginned up outrage hysteria promulgated by Hannity or Carlson (or their partners in stupidity, Pirro, Ingraham, and Fox n' Friends).

And Yes, conservatives do have a persecution complex, particularly their Evangelical branch.

 

[NAOS]

NAOS, add something constructive to the thread. I dare you.

Actually more than that. I believe in you NAOS! You can do it!!!

Lol. Once you stop spamming and limber up for an actual conversation, I'll be here.

 

[silesian]

So we are going to pretend that scientific theories live in a cloister until they are shared with a few dozen people? It might of worked that way a few hundred years ago, but now every damn hypothesis is press released. You recall "Cold Fusion," yeah? What was the peer review process on that? Keeping secrets and humility doesn't attract grant money. Even when Einstein released a theory, there was knife fighting in the press and larger scientific community before, during, and after the testing process. And it was healthy.

You do not understand the scientific method or the terminology that you are using.

Please read the question that I answered. Peer review does NOT take place in the public forum. What you are describing is NOT peer review.

On your peripheral points, Cold fusion is a great example. Pons and Fleischmann were peer reviewed and their paper that included their hypotheses were accepted in a journal. Acceptance in a journal is NOT the same as being accepted as a scientific theory. It was a very bad hypothesis. And a hypothesis that was immediately and mercilessly skewered by leading chemists and physicists as implausible. No one could repeat their experiments. And there it sits, in the dust bin. The scientific method at its best, disproving hypotheses at its core.

Yes, Einstein generated a great and healthy debate. They were challenging his peer-reviewed published hypothesis. And then the tried to disprove it over and over and over again. Leading up to the point general relativity and other ideas were eventually adopted as scientific theories.

 

[Heathme]

I concede the existence of a left-leaning bias in many mainstream news sources. I stated as much.

My points are as follows:

1. Despite conservatives' whining about liberal bias, they, on the whole, don't object to bias, only to left leaning bias. Thus, their long-voiced objection to bias in the media should not be understood not to represent any principled objection to media bias, only a self-interested objection to left-leaning bias. They are perfectly happy with right-leaning media bias.
2. There are now plenty of right-leaning news sites, so it's time for conservatives to stop all their whining about media bias. They can now get all the right-leaning news and information their conservative hearts desire. It strikes me as inconsistent, to say the least, to whine and complain about left-wing bias while engaging freely and vigorously in disseminating right-slanted news and information. So, please, STFU already about media bias. You like it, you really really do, only provided it comes from the right.
3. While other mainstream media outlets demonstrate bias, they ARE NOT Fox News, which has essentially become a propaganda arm for the Trump Administration. Equating Fox News with CNN etc. is a blatant false equivalence.

BTW, if you read my earlier post, you'd see I did make a distinction between Fox's news and its opinion divisions (e.g., Hannity and Carlson). This, however, is a distinction without much of a difference. It's Fox's opinion division that drive ratings and public opinion, not its news division. My tea bagger brothers, for example, don't go all frothy in the mouth based on a Shep Smith or Chris Wallace piece, but based on some new nutcase conspiracy or ginned up outrage hysteria promulgated by Hannity or Carlson (or their partners in stupidity, Pirro, Ingraham, and Fox n' Friends).

And Yes, conservatives do have a persecution complex, particularly their Evangelical branch.

Wow you really convinced me since you said everything so "vigorously". /sarc I am not trying to be harsh, but how is your point of view so much better than mine? Prove 1, 2 and 3. I have years of proof on https://www.newsbusters.org

 

[Heathme]

Lol. Once you stop spamming and limber up for an actual conversation, I'll be here.

Thank you NAOS. Now I feel just fine putting you on ignore since you refuse to add anything of value to this thread.