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A story about prayer

SiroMar said:
And yet, so many horrible things happen to ALL kinds of people all the time. I've met devout believers of all faiths who have lost everything. Some still believe, after all if something good happens it is a gift from the gods, and if something bad happens, then they must be testing your faith! And I've seen the opposite. I've seen great things happen to terrible people. And I've seen even better things happen to great people. I've heard of so many answered prayers, and so many others ignored.

It is almost as if there is no divine intervention whatsoever! But then again, a true god would want it to appear that way! I suppose logic and reason can never defeat desperate ardor.
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I think it's something way beyond testing people's faith. I think it has to do with the fall of Adam. How familiar are you with that?
 
Archie Moses said:
I think it's something way beyond testing people's faith. I think it has to do with the fall of Adam. How familiar are you with that?
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Very familiar. An entire species damned after two people broke an arbitrary anti-fruit law. It's not as convincing a response as you think.
 
SiroMar said:
What are you saying?
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Going back to my original question, how familiar are you with the fall of Adam? If you think you're familiar with it and can sum it up in one patronizing sentence then I think you could maybe research it a little more.
 
Archie Moses said:
Going back to my original question, how familiar are you with the fall of Adam? If you think you're familiar with it and can sum it up in one patronizing sentence then I think you could maybe research it a little more.
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Like I said, I am very familiar with the story. I'm also familiar with its origins in the Levant religions. I understand the evolution of Talmudic interpretation of the story before and after Babylon exile. I studied how early Christians saw the fall and the inevitable atonement. I saw how Saint Augustine tied it to the idea of grace, and how Calvin militarized it. I even know how Mormons see it.

So I am familiar with the amount of wasted thought spent on that piece of folklore. But I don't understand what you're saying.
 
SiroMar said:
What are you saying?
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I think he was talking about this:

"Adam was once a mortal man who became resurrected and exalted. From another planet, Adam brought Eve, one of his wives, with him to the earth, where they became mortal by eating the fruit of the Garden of Eden. After bearing mortal children and establishing the human race, they returned to their heavenly thrones where Adam serves as the god of this world. Later, Adam returned to the earth to become the literal father of Jesus."

See? Our prayers go to Adam, who, being a former mortal with many children, understands how difficult it is to get children to go to sleep. Thus it is an absolute priority of his to help parents out who are in need of his services.
 
SiroMar said:
So I am familiar with the amount of wasted thought spent on that piece of folklore. But I don't understand what you're saying.
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I'd love to talk to you, but I don't want to waste my time talking to someone who's so above other's beliefs and looking to belittle belief systems, other's reasoning on why things happen, etc. If you'd like to talk without being condescending and not throw in jabs like "folklore" and "wasted" let me know.
 
Zombie said:
I think he was talking about this:

"Adam was once a mortal man who became resurrected and exalted. From another planet, Adam brought Eve, one of his wives, with him to the earth, where they became mortal by eating the fruit of the Garden of Eden. After bearing mortal children and establishing the human race, they returned to their heavenly thrones where Adam serves as the god of this world. Later, Adam returned to the earth to become the literal father of Jesus."

See? Our prayers go to Adam, who, being a former mortal with many children, understands how difficult it is to get children to go to sleep. Thus it is an absolute priority of his to help parents out who are in need of his services.
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I'm going to guess this is a quote from Brigham Young and your way of taking a pseudo-Cragian shot.
 
SiroMar said:
Meanwhile, 50 babies were born with AIDS in Africa.
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At first I was like, "Oh Siro, you old curmudgeon you..."

SiroMar said:
And you don't see anything wrong with thinking that the essence of all creation is running around casting drowsiness spells on children and doing you other small favors while so much suffering goes unheeded?
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And then I was like, "As much as I like this guy, he sure is an *** wipe."

Sirkickyass said:
What does colton's still small voice feel like?
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I'm trying to figure out how to make this into a dick joke that won't get me infraction #3, but I'm failing. Can someone help me out here?
 
franklin said:
I'm going to guess this is a quote from Brigham Young and your way of taking a pseudo-Cragian shot.
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I don't know who pseudo-craig is but I don't see why early mormon doctrine is of any less value than any other religious doctrine is when contemplating the nature of prayer.
 
I'm trying to figure out how to manually set siromar's reputation to 1,000,000.

Look, everyone has weird personal stories. Franklin's involve god, and mine mostly involve Albert Finney.

The problems come about when we start ascribing causation to things. Humans are fantastically bad at that.

Let's talk about something important. Does anyone else think that Corey and Topanga got married too young?
 
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