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A thread for the Conley haters

TheGoldStandard said:
I don't hate Conley. I just hate that we traded for him for too much value and using up a lot of cap to do it.

I have watched Memphis a lot, and the Mike we have seen has largely been consistent with his prior play. He had one really good playoff series, and then we traded for him (Mem traded him on a high). I like him as a player, he seems like a good locker room guy, and is composed on the court. However, I'd like to see more passion out of a player. IIRC, he has never had a technical in his career, which is kind of crazy. We need more leadership, passion and fire on the court, and he isn't the recipe for it.

I'm not a huge Crowder fan as I think he is too inconsistent, but we made the same mistake (on a smaller scale) that Ainge made with Boston. Trading away players with intensity and fire, taking away the teams heart and tenacity. Worse, we shrunk our backcourt in a league where size matters.
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The biggest mistake of the Conley deal was not trading for him at the years prior trade deadline.
 
expectations was just too high when we traded for Mike. media labelled us championship bound after this. reality is we are just an average team with him and I think well do just fine without him
 
Elizah Huge said:
Gobert has never had a negative on/off his entire career.

Donovan was -1.1 this year and -5.9 last year.

Gobert was +6.3 this year and +14.6 last year.

Conley was +4.4 this year and +11.9 last year.

The real problem is definitely Conley and Gobert though am I right?
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Shows you that you can find a stat to prove almost any point.

Conley plays almost all his minutes with Rudy and vice versa.

Don plays the most minutes with our terrible depth. Why is our depth terrible? Mike Conley trade and his contract

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LoPo said:
Shows you that you can find a stat to prove almost any point.

Conley plays almost all his minutes with Rudy and vice versa.

Don plays the most minutes with our terrible depth. Why is our depth terrible? Mike Conley trade and his contract

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Always an excuse for Donovan.
 
The Jazz have very good depth lmao. They just dont have great versatility in that depth.

Donovan has ZERO valid excuse for not making his teammates better with his skill level. Just like he has ZERO excuse for not playing average defense given his physical talent level.
 
I would flip Conley for some assets if the opportunity came not because I don't like him, but I don't think he's fitting in well with Donovan in our backcourt. Simply too small with declining defensive effectiveness and we know Don is going to have to be the primary ballhandler which is not how you maximize a traditional PG like Conley.

We simply need more length opposite Donovan as we're just getting eaten up by bigger backcourts and small-ball looks.
 
Elizah Huge said:
Gobert has never had a negative on/off his entire career.

Donovan was -1.1 this year and -5.9 last year.

Gobert was +6.3 this year and +14.6 last year.

Conley was +4.4 this year and +11.9 last year.

The real problem is definitely Conley and Gobert though am I right?
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All great points man. Do you believe Gobert is worth his contract and is effective for playoff ball ?
 
LoPo said:
If Conley and Rudy play together vs 2nd units, Donovan is playing without a great teammate against 1st units.

I'm not going to say anything insulting but cmon man.

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With this comment it feels like you are simultaneously calling Gobert and Conley great and Mitchell not great. (I know what you were getting at, but it did make me chuckle a little).
 
Elizah Huge said:
Donovan plays with starters lmao he should not have a negative rating regardless.
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Let's explain this to you:

#1 - you think Rudy is our best player, much better than Don, and is who we should build around

#2 - Conley and Rudy play most of their minutes together and many of those minutes are against the opponent's 2nd unit

#3 - that means Don is not playing with Rudy or Conley and is playing many of his minutes without Rudy against the opponent's 1st unit (best players)

So Don is playing without your wonder boy Rudy against the other team's best players. And your argument is that Don gets to play with better teammates? WHAT?

If Rudy is as good as you say he is, then Don is at a severe disadvantage playing against our opponent's 1st team. Of course his +/- will be less. He's having to do more against tougher competition with lesser teammates.
 
Let's explain this to you:
LoPo said:
Let's explain this to you:
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LoPo said:
#1 - you think Rudy is our best player, much better than Don, and is who we should build around

#2 - Conley and Rudy play most of their minutes together and many of those minutes are against the opponent's 2nd unit

#3 - that means Don is not playing with Rudy or Conley and is playing many of his minutes without Rudy against the opponent's 1st unit (best players)

So Don is playing without your wonder boy Rudy against the other team's best players. And your argument is that Don gets to play with better teammates? WHAT?

If Rudy is as good as you say he is, then Don is at a severe disadvantage playing against our opponent's 1st team. Of course his +/- will be less. He's having to do more against tougher competition with lesser teammates.
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Lopo's argument style is incredible lmao. He can't stand by his own positions because he has no actual positions, just constant goalpost moving and straw-manning.
 
Conley's been a top 30 player for the jazz? more like a top 30 PG. he's not even a top 20 PG this season.
 
Elizah Huge said:
The biggest mistake of the Conley deal was not trading for him at the years prior trade deadline.
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the years prior to 2019 Conley was paid 26, 28 and 30mil, which would've made him the highest paid player on the Jazz team. At the same time he's played 151 out of possible 246 games(61%). If you like paying a guy 556k for every single game he plays then yeah we should have definitely traded for him sooner
 
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