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LoPo

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Gobert has never had a negative on/off his entire career.

Donovan was -1.1 this year and -5.9 last year.

Gobert was +6.3 this year and +14.6 last year.

Conley was +4.4 this year and +11.9 last year.

The real problem is definitely Conley and Gobert though am I right?
Shows you that you can find a stat to prove almost any point.

Conley plays almost all his minutes with Rudy and vice versa.

Don plays the most minutes with our terrible depth. Why is our depth terrible? Mike Conley trade and his contract

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Saint Cy of JFC

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The Jazz have very good depth lmao. They just dont have great versatility in that depth.

Donovan has ZERO valid excuse for not making his teammates better with his skill level. Just like he has ZERO excuse for not playing average defense given his physical talent level.
 

Avery

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I would flip Conley for some assets if the opportunity came not because I don't like him, but I don't think he's fitting in well with Donovan in our backcourt. Simply too small with declining defensive effectiveness and we know Don is going to have to be the primary ballhandler which is not how you maximize a traditional PG like Conley.

We simply need more length opposite Donovan as we're just getting eaten up by bigger backcourts and small-ball looks.
 

UtahJazz32

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Gobert has never had a negative on/off his entire career.

Donovan was -1.1 this year and -5.9 last year.

Gobert was +6.3 this year and +14.6 last year.

Conley was +4.4 this year and +11.9 last year.

The real problem is definitely Conley and Gobert though am I right?
All great points man. Do you believe Gobert is worth his contract and is effective for playoff ball ?
 

SoberasHotRod

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If Conley and Rudy play together vs 2nd units, Donovan is playing without a great teammate against 1st units.

I'm not going to say anything insulting but cmon man.

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With this comment it feels like you are simultaneously calling Gobert and Conley great and Mitchell not great. (I know what you were getting at, but it did make me chuckle a little).
 

LoPo

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Donovan plays with starters lmao he should not have a negative rating regardless.
Let's explain this to you:

#1 - you think Rudy is our best player, much better than Don, and is who we should build around

#2 - Conley and Rudy play most of their minutes together and many of those minutes are against the opponent's 2nd unit

#3 - that means Don is not playing with Rudy or Conley and is playing many of his minutes without Rudy against the opponent's 1st unit (best players)

So Don is playing without your wonder boy Rudy against the other team's best players. And your argument is that Don gets to play with better teammates? WHAT?

If Rudy is as good as you say he is, then Don is at a severe disadvantage playing against our opponent's 1st team. Of course his +/- will be less. He's having to do more against tougher competition with lesser teammates.
 

Saint Cy of JFC

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Let's explain this to you:
Let's explain this to you:

#1 - you think Rudy is our best player, much better than Don, and is who we should build around

#2 - Conley and Rudy play most of their minutes together and many of those minutes are against the opponent's 2nd unit

#3 - that means Don is not playing with Rudy or Conley and is playing many of his minutes without Rudy against the opponent's 1st unit (best players)

So Don is playing without your wonder boy Rudy against the other team's best players. And your argument is that Don gets to play with better teammates? WHAT?

If Rudy is as good as you say he is, then Don is at a severe disadvantage playing against our opponent's 1st team. Of course his +/- will be less. He's having to do more against tougher competition with lesser teammates.
Lopo's argument style is incredible lmao. He can't stand by his own positions because he has no actual positions, just constant goalpost moving and straw-manning.
 


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